Posted on 08/03/2007 11:43:50 AM PDT by neverdem
Edited on 08/03/2007 5:19:50 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON -- Two weeks before students return to classes at Virginia Tech, a Senate panel voted yesterday to strengthen the national instant background-check system for gun buyers.
Responding to the Virginia Tech massacre, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted unanimously to advance a measure aimed at closing gaps in the national background-check system.
(Excerpt) Read more at inrich.com ...
Maybe it’s time for that “other” gun group to rally it’s power and stop this legislation.
Oh, wait. They can’t. They never, ever do anything.
Probably.
Thanks for the link.
Rather than sit here and knock what SAS and other gun rights organizations are doing, why don't you do something other than pay your NRA dues (I've already paid mine for Endowment Lifetime status) and join us in fighting bad legislation! I devote 20 - 40 (unpaid) hours a week to this fight....how about you?
The chemical lasers are just an interesting sideshow, but in reality, chemical lasers are difficult to maintain and quickly run out of components that make them lase. The Israelis are working on semi-conductor lasers and have them pumping out more than 10 kilowatts now. They have successfully used them to shoot down rockets, mortars, and artillery shells in flight. They figure that within a couple of years they will have them up to the 100 kw range and at that point they will be ready for more field testing and deployment.
Take a good look at the posts criticizing the NRA and explain how any other group could stop this legislation.
The reality is you don’t have the votes because any gun group who fight this will have headlines tomorrow explaining how the Second Amendment Sisters or the GOA want guns in the hands of rubber room crazies.
And yes, I do my part other than send a check now and then.
You keep knocking all the other pro-gun organizations including SAS. At least we're standing up for our rights instead of capitulating. Constantly knocking us because we're not "big enough" or "haven't accomplished enough" is like saying a woman should just lay there and be raped because they're not strong enough to fight....like Hell!
I believe in results. Good intentions mean nothing to me. The NRA is doing it’s best to stop some of the worse of this bill and the GOA and now the SAS is doing nothing to stop this legislation except to criticize.
You still haven’t mentioned a thing how you’re trying to stop this legislation. How many votes have you been promised to stop this? Which legislators have you met with?
Here are your "results" from the NRA.....
A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Andrew Arulanandam, said his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."
With "results" like this, I sure hope you don't have anything in your medical history that proves you to be "mentally defective".
Regarding what SAS has done....we've contacted all of our members and asked them to contact their reps to ask them to stop this legislation. I've personally contacted my Rep and Senators and I know our members have done the same. What have you done?
My guess is: that a Redcoat or two may have taken a ball from someone who wasn't too good with his 'times tables'. And possibly lacking in other social etiquittes, as well.
The villification of arms and arms-owners has proceeded unabated for many years. The 'hero-fication' of guns and gun owners by those in the NRA pales by comparison-yet they keep asking for more money to pursue a limp-course-of-action against a very formidable opponent ( communist major media).
Where the NRA fails is with the second ammendment's inattentiveness to the condition of mental congruity as a condition of the right to bear arms. They were right then, the NRA is wrong now.
A mental-case with a gun is a threat to all-- a properly armed citizenry with discretion is a natural barrier to the harm a nut-case can impose on others. Our Founders probably envisioned a few plots in graveyards dedicated to the purpose of their disposal.
If the second ammendment seems antiquated by today's standards and warrants 'qualifiers' acceptable to the National Rifle Association, as well as those who'd take guns away from all, then we've been accomodating the nuts* too long.
The right of the people to rid themselves of *aberrant and abhorrent individuals resides in their ability to excercise their right to keep, bear, and shoot arms.
Muggers, rapists, carjackers, murderers, etc. should thank their lucky stars that our courts, legislatures, cops, and ultimately the NRA, feel that the 2nd ammendment as written, is fungible. However, they should realize that time is not on their side. Not by a long f**king shot (pun intended).
Looking at the law Arulanandam speaks of. Lets say some guy goes wacko, breaks or doesn't break the law. Somewhere in the "pipe" the process sets an appearance in front of the court to determine he is mentally defective. He is a free man, not being held on charges, or out on bail. We all know appearing before a judge to be judged mentally defective does not happen quickly. He goes to the gun store, passes NICs, completes his purchase and goes postal.
The Gun Grabbers cry out, we need to change the law, we need to have the shrinks notify us who is and who is not mentally defective.
When that fails the GGs will say all people looking to purchase a gun, must be certified by OUR BOARD OF APPROVED SHRINKS to be mentally faultless.
On and on and on it goes. We must draw the line in the sand NOW! And the NRA refuses to do it.
“The Government shall make no law.......”
I have no idea why I have to explain to you how to defeat antigun legislation but here goes anyway. Hint: It’s not sending an email to your members which gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.
You have to meet with every legislator in Congress and the Senate and explain to them that voting for a antigun bill is a bad idea. You then count up the votes for and against the bill to see if you win or lose. If you know the bill is going to be defeated, you can relax and wait for the next time.
If you’re going to lose, you have to minimize the damage and ask your supporters in the legislation to cut down the worse aspects of the bill. In this case, the anti’s probably want anyone who has ever seen a shrink to lose their Gun Rights. That’s not acceptable to any gun group. What will probably happen is this bill will pass if someone is a danger to themselves and others. That’s what the headlines will read.
The antigun morons will still say the NRA tried to give guns to mental hospital patients and the GOA and now the SAS will say the NRA worked to take away your Gun Rights.
One last thing. If you can find a member of your gun group who has been denied a gun because of a past mental history, you can sue on behalf of the member. You might get this soon to be law judged unconstitutional. You better start adjusting your budget to pay for it.
Oh, no no no no NO. You're not going to get away with this nonsense here.
Instead, why don't you tell us why the NRA isn't stopping it? You are a member of an organization that is capable of mobilizing millions of gun owners across the country at the very moment that any anti-gun legislation hits the desk of any politician in DC or elsewhere. So why are these same gun owners about to suffer another setback to their rights?
Let me ask you, are YOU satisfied with what the NRA is doing in this case?
I am satisfied with the actions of the NRA because they can’t stop this legislation. The votes simply are not there.
Now go back and explain how your gun group is going to stop this legislation. Not a simple set of emails to your local pol, I want to know exact details on how your group will ultimately halt this legislation.
You have a forum, use it.
Know what changes minds of politicians? VOTERS. But you're going to sit here and tell me that millions of VOTERS would hold no sway over the way an elected official voted on a piece of legislation.
You won't even call the NRA to voice your displeasure at what they're doing, will you?
Any organization that encourages you to get off your lazy gun-owning ass and get back in touch with the political process personally is on the right track. The NRA has the ability to do this, but then Wayne LaPierre et al wouldn't have the need for a travel budget and the fancy suits, would they?
I am involved in the process much more than I care to be but the legislator’s votes aren’t there.
Now you can wish upon a star if you want but that doesn’t change anything.
Now let’s take a hard look at what you are doing. Exactly nothing that will change the outcome. You don’t know anything about the closed doors dealings on this issue because you aren’t part of the process. You aren’t going to change the anti’s minds about this or the dem party.
The reason why is the NRA only has four million members. Do you have any idea how many AARP members there are? They dwarf the numbers the NRA has. Are you going to become a member so eighty million gun owners are now part of the NRA and can really scare some of these politicians? Doubt it.
If your gun group was so good, they wouldn’t need the NRA. The other gun groups can’t stop this any more than the NRA can. The NRA is trying to minimize the damage a bill like this can do but your gun group is too busy complaining and whining about the NRA.
Other gun groups: send emails and complain about the NRA when a antigun bill passes. Hope you think that’s worth sending in membership dues.
I am involved in the process much more than I care to be but the legislator’s votes aren’t there.
Now you can wish upon a star if you want but that doesn’t change anything.
Now let’s take a hard look at what you are doing. Exactly nothing that will change the outcome. You don’t know anything about the closed doors dealings on this issue because you aren’t part of the process. You aren’t going to change the anti’s minds about this or the dem party.
The reason why is the NRA only has four million members. Do you have any idea how many AARP members there are? They dwarf the numbers the NRA has. Are you going to become a member so eighty million gun owners are now part of the NRA and can really scare some of these politicians? Doubt it.
If your gun group was so good, they wouldn’t need the NRA. The other gun groups can’t stop this any more than the NRA can. The NRA is trying to minimize the damage a bill like this can do but your gun group is too busy complaining and whining about the NRA.
Other gun groups: send emails and complain about the NRA when a antigun bill passes. Hope you think that’s worth sending in membership dues.
I'd love to know how many members the NRA had when they were only 7 yrs old.
We struggle to do what we can, spending many (unpaid) hours per week trying to save the basic right of self defense. We are doing this not so that good ole boys can go hunting, tho many of our members are hunters.
Our one and only issue is: "Self defense is a basic human right." Our goal is to save that right.
When the Hallowed NRA starts linking with the Brady Bunch to get a terrible bill pushed through Congress, we are of course stunned and horrified!
At one time, nearly every member of our organization were also NRA members, and in my case TXSRA members. Not anymore.....
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