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Listing Of 'Deficient' And 'Structurally Obsolete Bridges'- State By State
MSNBC ^ | 8-2-07 | MSNBC

Posted on 08/05/2007 3:16:09 AM PDT by nancyvideo

As of 2005, 155,144 of the nations 592,473 bridges (26.2%) were rated structurally deficient or functionally obsolete - see how bridges in your state are ranked.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bridge; bridges; infrastructure; obsolete; transportation
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1 posted on 08/05/2007 3:16:16 AM PDT by nancyvideo
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To: nancyvideo

Funny, I don’t remember one whimper about infrastructure during the Clinton years. Lists? Get real...


2 posted on 08/05/2007 3:29:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: nancyvideo
Maybe the political class should be attending to this issue rather then spending hundred of billions of transportation dollars on “prestige projects” and “political legacy building” over the last 4 decades.

Maybe instead of siphoning off hundreds of billions with ear marks to reward fat cat political donors and special interest groups, maybe the political class should of been taking care of the infrastructure we have now.

Here is a good example of how existing transportation dollars have been misapplied by both the State of Minnesota, and the US Govt that has a direct bearing on this bridge collapse

This bridge was determined structurally deficient in 1990. It was build using 1960s engineering norms that were now out of date.

Maybe during the 1990s the State of Minnesota diverted over a billion dollars of State, and Federal, infrastructure dollars into an eco-freak boondoggle light rail project between down town Minneapolis and the Minneapolis airport. Maybe Minnesota politicians should of been tending to their existing infrastructure instead of wasting our money for political “legacy building” and “prestige” projects.

Using the currently stated cost for rebuilding the bridge at $250 million, for the cost of the light rail project this bridge could of been completely rebuilt from scratch 5 or 6 times during the 1990s.

This “Light Rail”project was largely the brain child of the Metropolitan Council . Either as the head of the council, or one of its most politically connected members, at the time was former VP Walter Mondale’s son Ted.

The sadly ironic thing here is the terminal for this billion dollar waste of state and Federal transportation dollars is about 1 mile from the bridge that collapsed.

Here is the link to the the website about the line. The bridge that collapsed is the one on the map where 35W crosses the blue line of the Mississippi River in the upper right of the map.

http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/lrt/lrt.htm

Additional information

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiawatha_Line

http://www.metrotransit.org/rail/station_detail.asp

3 posted on 08/05/2007 3:34:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: DoughtyOne

What I don’t like is that they are going to raise the price of all bridges now. It cost about 8 dollars a bridge in New York City. How much will it cost now that politicians see a way to raise the costs...


4 posted on 08/05/2007 3:35:20 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I say we fight that with all our might. People should just stay home every day until those tolls are removed. When the economy tanks perhaps our leaders will get religion. I don’t really know what else to suggest. If it takes general strikes here in the US, then that’s what we should do. I’m sick of our leaders bending us over for their enjoyment.

They squander hundreds of billions, then carp about the cost of new bridges. Then they act is if we haven’t figured this out.

We pledged $45 billion to African nations over the last three years. $45 friggen billion! I’m thinkin that may have bought us a few bridges.

Doesn’t it seem like we could have developed a new way to build strong bridges at a reasonable cost by now? Sure seems like a possibility to me.


5 posted on 08/05/2007 3:42:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: napscoordinator

Politicians salivate at disasters. Prime opportunity to increase government control and put more dollars in the public trough. When disaster don’t occur naturally, they precipitate them (alar, coral reef’s etc), never being held to account. I predict this may change in the next few years as ‘sunshine’ (internet, FNC, talk radio)continue to proliferate. In the meantime, hold onto your wallets.


6 posted on 08/05/2007 3:45:22 AM PDT by nancyvideo (nancyvideo)
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To: nancyvideo

This is largely a scare tactic by the media, and a play for more tax money from the politicians.

I looked at that list, knowing many of the local structures. The criteria for ‘obsolete’ is anything less than absolutely brand new, apparently. What a load.


7 posted on 08/05/2007 3:49:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Doesn’t it seem like we could have developed a new way to build strong bridges at a reasonable cost by now?

Here in Pennsylvania, we have huge infrastructure issues.

First, the state get incredible fuel tax revenue as we are the major corridor to NY, Boston and DC from the west.

Our Dept of Transportation spends over 95% of its budget on maintenance. That means our roads do not get expanded to handle the larger traffic loads.

The recent budget passed under Democrat Governor Rendell called for turning Interstate 80 into a toll road with the money collected to be used for mass transit.

Folks, I-80 does not run through any parts of the state that require mass transit. It is mostly rural farmland.

This is the type of political decisions that led to the I-35W Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis.

PS: If a construction project is given to a private contractor, they are forced to pay "prevailing wages" starting at $25 per hour for all workers on state paid jobs.

8 posted on 08/05/2007 3:51:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree. The aging infrastructure of America was a "huge" problem all through the Reagan years (he was foolishly spending money on the military). Then, during the Clinton years, all the bridges "got better". Now as the Iraq war becomes a football, all of our bridges have been more than 60 years old and in danger of collapse.

Funny how that works.

9 posted on 08/05/2007 3:55:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: nancyvideo

And our state, NC, pulled another 190 million dollars this year from it’s highway trust fund to grease the hands of politicos with pork.

A yearly raid that has shorted this state billions in highway money. But we need to put toll booths on I-95 to raise more money?


10 posted on 08/05/2007 4:03:32 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’ll bet your state has been diverting more transportation funds to mass transet than you are aware of. These idiots think roads that were built fifty years ago will do just fine for another fifty year, because you are going to give up your car and ride the bus or rail.

I’ve got a good use for those rails, just about the only one for day transit. Run the politicians out of town on them, and don’t let them come back.

Our parents and grandparents contributed to get our road system set up back in the 50s and 60s. Since then the idiots in control have diverted funds. Well, it’s time to hold our current leaders feet to the fire until they get with the program.

We need new roads. We need our old ones repaired and expanded. That’s the long and short of it. Now get to work.

Those puddin heads don’t plan on building another mile of new roads. They’ve bought into the conservationist mentality and they’re going to shove that down our throats whether we like it or not, unless we get up off our hind sides and tell THEM to shove it.


11 posted on 08/05/2007 4:04:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: PeteB570

Exactly right!


12 posted on 08/05/2007 4:06:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Infrastructure and the homeless, two problems that are miraculously resolved around January 26th of the years Democrats are inaugurated to the presidency. No Children go hungry, there are no poor and all of a sudden the trees start singing Hail ot the Chief, the climate is great, the drinking water likewise.


13 posted on 08/05/2007 4:09:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: nancyvideo

The headline is grossly misleading. All the article does is give a state-by-state listing of PERCENTAGES of bridges that are “structurally deficient”-—not an actual list of bridges (which would actually be useful).


14 posted on 08/05/2007 4:11:46 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Maybe during the 1990s the State of Minnesota diverted over a billion dollars of State, and Federal, infrastructure dollars into an eco-freak boondoggle light rail project between down town Minneapolis and the Minneapolis airport."

Good point. And the same type of boondoggle is going on in the Seattle-Tacoma area.

15 posted on 08/05/2007 4:13:19 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Must click the link.


16 posted on 08/05/2007 4:14:08 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: DoughtyOne
Infrastructure and the homeless, two problems that are miraculously resolved around January 26th of the years Democrats are inaugurated to the presidency.

D1, that "decaying infrastructure" meme is at least as old as the 1992 Clinton campaign, and just as fraudulent.

I well remember back in '92 the Dems instructing their members to take videos of leaking ceilings and crumbling walls at local schools, as "proof" Evil George Boosh was neglecting business at home.

I remember how outraged I was at the tactic, fuming ( to my long-suffering wife ) "Isn't the school board supposed to take care of this? What business is it of the Federal Government?"

Oh, well... can't allow facts or skepticism to interfere with the "narrative."

17 posted on 08/05/2007 4:36:51 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Wonder Warthog

If you follow the link, click on the map, you can find a total listing in each state by county.


18 posted on 08/05/2007 4:38:52 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: nancyvideo

I’m not buying all of msnbc’s panic. They have bridges on the list in my area that were just overhauled....................in the last year.


19 posted on 08/05/2007 4:40:03 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Click on the desired state in the article, it will take you to a separate web page for that state.

Once there, scroll down and you find a county listing.

Click on the desired county and you jump to the structurally deficient bridges in that county.

I found out that I drive across two of them every work day. Swell.

20 posted on 08/05/2007 4:40:58 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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