Posted on 08/07/2007 1:37:31 AM PDT by Brynn2007
The Westboro Baptist Church has announced that they will be protesting the funerals of two victims of the 35W Bridge Collapse.
They will be protesting the funeral of Paul Eickstadt at 10:45 AM on Tuesday, August 7th at Grace Evangelical Free Church at 755 73rd Ave. in Minneapolis.
They will also be protesting the funeral of Sherry Lou Engebretsen at 10:45 AM on Wednesday, August 8th at Incarnation Lutheran Church at 4880 North Hodgson Rd. in Shoreview, MN.
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These two are just opinions on why the bridge collapsed. 1. http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20070804_americas-highways-lay-waste.pdf 2. http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/aug2007/20070802_minneapolis-bridge-collapse.pdf
This is a link to a list of links which lead to fliers for individual upcoming protesting events, the two MN victims included. http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/pickets.html
The following are the fliers for the individual funerals of Paul and Sherry, respectively.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/aug2007/20070806_paul-eickstadt-funeral.pdf
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/aug2007/20070806_sherry-lou-engebretsen-funeral.pdf
I will be attending the protest of Mrs. Engebretsen's funeral to do as much to hinder their antics as I can...my only hope is that there will be a huge outpouring of support for these families.
My first thought was that it would be a bad idea to give hese people publicity...but to not protect the dignity of these families because of the risk of publicity for the WBC's cause would be a much greater injustice than if these families were given respect and the Phelps' just got more people to hate them through publicity in the process.
Please help if you are able! Thank you all.
The only reason these people are still alive is because it’s against the law to kill them.
It’d be a darn crying shame if say, they were driving to one of their protests, and the bridge they were on collapsed.
Though not part of the Patriot Guard’s mission, I wish their riders had gotten involved in this.
Phelps is being sued by a man from my town and I believe the trial date is this fall.
I’m hoping that this suit will lift the financial mask from the Phelps organization.
My view is that they are a left-liberal front group designed to discredit “the religious right.”
That's probably correct. Kind of funny how the Gay Rights people *never* go after them,. whereas the slightest perceived manifestation of 'homophobia' in anyone else is pounced on. They get a lot of money from *somewhere*. They *never* picket actual homosexual events. Their every appearance seems calculated to generate the most media coverage possible. And Phelps is known to have had some involvement with the Gores.
That is my belief, also. No truly religious group no matter how kooky would do things so fundamentally against Christian principle.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Would it be bad if I wished a tragic death on one of their own family members? Would they protest their own funeral?
Are you kidding me? Gay rights groups have been fighting this organization since they tried to erect a statue “in honor” of Mathew Shepard. They had/have counters stating how many days in hell Diane Whipple and Mathew Shepard have endured. Call it for what it is, a fundie religious group. The Phelps family is in no way stupid or poor. O
There are indeed times when ‘the law of the west’ was superior to our own. There are some things people shouldn’t be able to get away with, and what this group has been doing fall under that category.
If these sub-humans showed up at the funeral of my father I’d be hard pressed not to f-— some people up seriously.
I’m thinking most witnesses would swear I was in another state at the time.
Doing some digging now- looks like I might have been incorrect about that. I hadn’t heard of any major lawsuits or anything against them- but then, these people usually aren’t on my radar anyway- they aren’t worth the effort.
Hell, maybe he’s just a nut-case.
My G_D os not happy with them.
IBTZ!
Sounds like whatever twisted “God” the phelpsians glorify and Allah are two peas in a pod. Why do they rage so at America? I say jealousy.
There has to be some way to put out a general summons for a FReep.
If we ignore them, they won’t go away. But at least we’ll be ignoring them.
I’m not familiar with this whole thing. This group protests at funerals of gay people, I guess to protest homosexuality?
If that were only true. They are a fringe Baptist group, very sincere in their beliefs and who revel in their hatred. Their attacks are entirely non-partisan.
That's as an accurate description of Fred as any.
No, this group protests at any funeral of note to protest against homosexuality. If they stuck to protesting funerals of gay men and women their wouldn't be as much opposition to them.
where do they get their money from...
They're lawyers. They have a legal practice in Topeka called Phelps Chartered. They've also won a number of lawsuits over the years.
They also protest at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. They claim that God is punishing America because America tolerates homosexuality.
Mike Gallagher is known to have made deals with them - free air time on his show in exchanger for their calling off their nonsense
A useful reference to the background information on this group. True, wiki commentary itself is frequently a “non-reliable source”, but there are lots of links to check other sources and the claims in the wiki text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
When do we get to protest at a Phelps’ family funeral?
I know. I live in Kansas and I've been watching the antics of the Phelps clan for years.
If they had tried this crap in Mississippi after Katrina, they would all have been found hanging from a tree by their necks... and not one question would have been asked!
LLS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps
The Phelps spawn are parasites preying on a free society. They may be the price we have to tolerate for the rule of law, but damn, it can be high.
We need to pray for Fred Phelps to come to know Yah'shua.
You are a far better person than me.
Amoradocat
Since Aug 7, 2007
Old Sarge - here’s one that the kitties need to watch. I don’t think he likes ‘fundie religious group’s.
I think they’re a bunch of inbred morons who have discovered how to extend their 15 minutes of infamy indefinitely.
Do what you want, I’ll swear we were fishing on the Pecos at the time.
I'd tend to agree except Phelps does not represent the religious right any more than Jim Jones represented communal left leaning religion. The Phelps are a crime family using "religion" as a cover.
Sometimes, it makes perfect sense to do prison time.
We need to help him get to know Yah'shua.
In person.
I emailed the MN captain of the Patriot Guard and he said that this is kind of outside the scope of what they do, which I thought might be the case. At any rate, they only become involved when the family invites them there as guests.
it’s possible, maybe even probable. but actually, the Phelps Family has been protesting the funerals of homoesexuals for years. they only started doing the funerals of soldiers and churches and all that nonsense recently i guess...probably an attempt for more publicity.
I absolutely agree. I would be a hypocrite were I to say that God isn’t just as disappointed in me for the things I do wrong on a daily basis - sin is sin. But since we know the truth, we absolutely should pray for them to know it too...they make Christianity into an exclusive club...when really we know that its all-inclusive. We need to show them the REAL love of Christ....
but let’s not forget that even Jesus showed anger at the injustice and blasphemy going on in the temple.
Someone explain to me how he doesn't get the Ananias and Sapphira treatment.
I hear Texas lets people use a “needed killing” defense. Invite Fred to the Lone Star State to protest a funeral.
“My view is that they are a left-liberal front group designed to discredit ‘the religious right.’”
I sure don’t know one way or the other. But I remember seeing some TV report about the group, including interviews with a couple of female members. I came away with the distinct impression that they did not really believe what they said, that their true motives were hidden. Maybe it was just that I could not identify, even to the slighest degree, with anything they said. It seemed phony.
No, I've met them. They seem unable to form complete sentences if you try to talk to them - they yell the same worn phrases over and over. It is impossible to carry on a conversation with them... because they don't talk - they just mechanically repeat the same things over and over. They shadowed the elderly at the church they protested at here, screaming at the old and frail, but oddly without any energy behind their words. It was disturbing.
Make of that what you will, but they are not fakes or plants.
I parked my car near the Grace Evangelical Church on 73rd Ave NE today (August 7th) at around 9am until 12:30pm. Other than 2 friendly police officers directing traffic, a Faux News van, and a couple of video cameras, it was very quiet. Thankfully, not a single Phelps in sight.
It’s a good thing too... I hadn’t really thought out my plan any further than — “grab their signs while they’re unloading the van and RUN!”
I sort of doubt (hope!) they even made it to Minnesota today. Hopefully they won’t be at the Shoreview funeral either, but in case they do show up, it makes sense to let the church and the police know:
Incarnation Lutheran Church
4880 Hodgson Road
Shoreview, MN 55126
651-484-7213
Ramsey County Sheriff Patrol
1411 Paul Kirkwold Drive
Arden Hills MN 55112
651-266-7300
Clips from the BBC documentary: The Most Hated Family in America:
http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2007/04/video_the_surre.html
IIRC, Shelley Phelps-Roper, their usual spokeswitch, says their purpose is not to convert bystanders to believe/practice as they do.
Nope. They just wanna make sure we know the Lord’s peeved and sending all but themselves to hell. That’s all. End message. LOL!
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