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The Final Face-Off ... ( looks like it's going to be Hillary vs. Rudy)
American Spectator ^ | 8/9/2007 | R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

Posted on 08/09/2007 4:37:27 AM PDT by IrishMike

The infallible Washington Times reports that up for sale is one of the most famous scenes of infantilism in the 20th century, "Woodstock." Actually, what is on the block is the late Max Yasgur's New York farm, 38 acres of which were used for the 1969 Woodstock music festival that hagiographers for the "1960s Generation" have ever since boomed as a pivotal event in American history. Such rock singers as Jimi Hendrix and Richie Havens got together before a stupefied crowd of some 500,000 eternal children to sing of peace, and freedom, and mind-numbing substances, even the most feeble of which have now been shown to be extremely deleterious to intellect and spirit. Better it would be to inhale Marlboros than to fool with the proscribed substances that eventually killed or demented many of the singers and attendees in that famous field.

As for "peace and freedom," wars have continued and the specific war that the troubadours of Woodstock had in mind ended only when our Democratic-controlled Congress broke an American pledge to send support to embattled South Vietnamese forces. The North Vietnamese communists beat them. .... Drunk and disorderly rockers never pacified any region I know of, and many have lived irritable and belligerent lives, leaving children and other loved ones in a hell of a mess. ........... As I have been noting of late, the aging 1960s generation -- divided as it has always been by its left-wing and right-wing -- is now facing its political swan song. The Republicans and the Democrats will probably nominate members of this generation to battle in 2008 one more time. Now the face-off is on again, probably with Hillary opposing Rudy.

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1 posted on 08/09/2007 4:37:32 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Wonder how long it will take the Rudy haters to start pouring out their angst on this one?


2 posted on 08/09/2007 4:38:42 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Right now. Rudy will not be the GOP nominee. You can bank on it.


3 posted on 08/09/2007 4:41:28 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: IrishMike

Hopefully, we’ll make a better choice than Rudy although he still stands head and shoulders above Lady MacBeth.


4 posted on 08/09/2007 4:42:06 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

A win is a win, but I’m a little tired of ‘the lesser of two evils’ stuff.


5 posted on 08/09/2007 4:50:03 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike
Better it would be to inhale Marlboros than to fool with the proscribed substances that eventually killed or demented many of the singers and attendees in that famous field.

This guy sounds like a combination Phillip Morris and Yoda. And let me also say, as one who has inhaled marlboros and marijuana, ingested LSD and psylociben mushroooms, marbs are definitely at the BOTTOM of the list. I'd take any of those other substances again before I'd ingest marlboro's addictive poison.

6 posted on 08/09/2007 4:53:12 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: IrishMike
but I’m a little tired of ‘the lesser of two evils’ stuff.

It's politics. It's gubmint. It is inescapably evil. The whole enterprise is a necessary evil. Get used to it.

7 posted on 08/09/2007 4:54:11 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: IrishMike
It's a long time before I'm gonna settle for Rudy.

I expect it will be a long time before the Donks will be willing to settle on Hillary! Rodham (Clinton), as well.

8 posted on 08/09/2007 4:55:18 AM PDT by gridlock (You cannot coexist with somebody who wants you dead.)
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To: Huck

I’m having a tough time with Camel lights myself,
been a smoker 25+ years.


9 posted on 08/09/2007 4:56:09 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: Chi-townChief
How dare you beautify her with a reference to Shakespeare?


10 posted on 08/09/2007 4:56:14 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: IrishMike

Rudy will prosecute the war and cut taxes, we just need a filibuster majority in Congress to stop any other BS he might try to pull.


11 posted on 08/09/2007 4:56:37 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Huck

The whole enterprise is a necessary evil. Get used to it.

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I’m used to it, still tired of it.
Fred Thompson ... WTF ????
Are you in or what ?


12 posted on 08/09/2007 4:57:47 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike
Hillary vs. Rudy

Bwbahahahahahaha, on both counts.

13 posted on 08/09/2007 5:00:39 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: IrishMike
I doubt it will, but if it does come down to those two I'll be writing in Moe Howard's name.
14 posted on 08/09/2007 5:02:29 AM PDT by Grut
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To: normy
Rudy will prosecute the war and cut taxes, we just need a filibuster majority in Congress to stop any other BS he might try to pull.

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Ping that, he’s definitely a good speaker, a little left in leanings, but he’s a damn good administrator, tough, no nonsense, tax cutting, take no lip from the media, or anyone else, tough on crime and terrorists... type dude.

15 posted on 08/09/2007 5:02:48 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

I doubt either one of them will actually run.

We’ll have two other choices. Monica Lewinsky’s boyfriend’s wife would like us to THINK she’s inevitable, but she isn’t. And her vast negatives are going to keep her out of the election.

Rudy isn’t a Republican. That’s why he won’t get the nomination. Maybe vice president; other than that, he’s not national material.

Just my opinion.


16 posted on 08/09/2007 5:02:59 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
angst? Surely you jest. Those you define as "Rudy haters" are not hating, but just making sure we all know the TRUTH about Rudy the Liberal. Calling it hating is nothing but a trick from the leftist side of the isle.

And this:

It will be a bitter campaign with many interesting aspects. My favorite is this: Hillary and the 1960s left-wingers have had to shift their politics to the middle. Rudy and the 1960s right-wingers have not had to shift their politics much at all.

The author is so full of crap. Particularly using Rudy as an example - Rudy sure hasn't moved his position, because his is as much of a liberal as Hillary.

And as far as platforms are concerned - the Democrats are continuing to move LEFT. The only "center" shift is in the facade they put up around election time when they pretend to be more conservative. There is no shift in platform to the right for them. And the farther left they move, they drag the Republicans with them- thus the reason for the rising % of RINOs in the party.

17 posted on 08/09/2007 5:05:03 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: IrishMike
I agree. I don’t think he would cave to pressure and the resistance by the Dems actually might piss him off and make it personal. Unlike Bush, whom I like, but he sure likes to get along and I for one am tired of it.
18 posted on 08/09/2007 5:05:23 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: IrishMike

My expectations of the entire business are sufficiently low. Am I in what? I come from the Mencken school of thought. As long as I’m paying for the gubmint, I’m going to at least get my entertainment dollar’s worth for it. Voting is easier than deciding what to have for lunch. The rest is just entertainment.


19 posted on 08/09/2007 5:07:57 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Grut

Moe Howard.....?????


20 posted on 08/09/2007 5:09:54 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike; rintense
There are going to be at least four "major" candidates, in our first replay of 1860.

Rudy and Hillary are two of 'em, for sure. Thompson could be a third (if he wants it, which I doubt), and the fourth could be Gore, Obama, or somebody else.

After Hillary is elected with 35% of the popular vote, hang on to your hats.

21 posted on 08/09/2007 5:10:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: IrishMike

BS. In August of 2003, Howard Dean looked like a certainty and Kerry was fading fast....


22 posted on 08/09/2007 5:10:29 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: IrishMike

Never could smoke them Camel Lights. Too light. I liked Camel Filters. Mmmm. Turkish and American blend. I smoked for 10 years, and I quit 10 years ago. Quitting isn’t super easy, but it doesn’t take any skill, just will. You simply have to want to quit badly enough that you’ll put up with the temporary hassle and discomfort that comes with quitting. For me, after a couple of months, I was home free. But to a heavy smoker, a month feels like a century if you can’t have a smoke. I am very glad I quit, and I don’t miss it at all. Especially with today’s cig prices. Insane.


23 posted on 08/09/2007 5:10:31 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Judith Anne

I like your opinion.


24 posted on 08/09/2007 5:11:04 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: Judith Anne

Maybe vice president;
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CIA, Defense, homeland security, DOJ
other good options for the former husband of the unknown cousin.


25 posted on 08/09/2007 5:13:11 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

That works for me. ;-D


26 posted on 08/09/2007 5:14:37 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: normy

he sure likes to get along
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Which doubles as an asset and a liability for my man W,
a liability mostly recently dealing with that cesspool congress.


27 posted on 08/09/2007 5:15:29 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: TheBattman

If it ends up being Rudy vs. Hillary, Michael Bloomberg might as well run, too.....then we can have three liberals from New York running for president.


28 posted on 08/09/2007 5:16:06 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My number one goal in life is to leave a bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore.)
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To: expatpat

In August of 2003, Howard Dean looked like a certainty and Kerry was fading fast....
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Then came the scream.


29 posted on 08/09/2007 5:17:14 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: Huck

$6:15 a pack yesterday


30 posted on 08/09/2007 5:18:17 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

That’ll be quite a contest. Eva Peron would be battling someone that looks better than her (at least when he’s in drag). Of course that isn’t saying much. The back end of a Greyhound bus looks better than Eva Peron and her shreiking socialist voice.


31 posted on 08/09/2007 5:21:40 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08! La Raza - the PLO of the Western Hemisphere)
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To: IrishMike

I am not a Rudy hater..but I would not vote for him at all..and I do not think he will be on the other side when it ocmes to the primaries...That will be Duncan Hunter..


32 posted on 08/09/2007 5:24:09 AM PDT by Willow25
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To: expatpat
Thank you for the very timely reminder. I am sick unto death of people anointing Rudy to be the GOP candidate. The only way he would have a lock on the POTUS nomination is if he were running as a Democrat. Hillary wouldn’t stand a chance then!
33 posted on 08/09/2007 5:24:19 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Who has shown more cleavage ...?
Rudy in drag or the Hildabeast.


34 posted on 08/09/2007 5:26:11 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

Please, let’s don’t call us Rudy Haters! It’s not a matter of hating the man, just that we don’t believe him to be the person that represents conservative America all that well.

I, for one, refuse to fall for the same “stuff” that we heard over and over when Bush was running in his first primary. We were told that as good little Republicans we had better vote for him or else we would end up with a Democrat in the White house. While that argument was most likely true in 2004, it was not necessarily true in 2000. We might have saved ourselves the present agony of electing a president who has turned against so many values of his party, such as his giving the country away to foreign illegal aliens.

Now is the time to stand up to the party and say.... NO, we will NOT elect Rudy. Give us someone with the values we believe in.

Back in 2000 election primaries I was told here on Free Republic essentially to support Bush or shut up and leave. I am afraid, if it comes to shutting up again for all I believe in, I will chose to leave.


35 posted on 08/09/2007 5:26:47 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: IrishMike

When I used to smoke, cigs were $3.00 to $4.00 a CARTON. Late 60s, early 70s.


36 posted on 08/09/2007 5:28:52 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace

You were ‘saved by grace’ and gave them up !


37 posted on 08/09/2007 5:34:09 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

Actually, I quit smoking about 5 years before I was saved by grace.


38 posted on 08/09/2007 5:40:25 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Chi-townChief
The lady who mops the floor and cleans the ladies room over here is head and shoulders above Evita too!!
39 posted on 08/09/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: IrishMike
Rudy might get 5% fewer votes in the South than a more socially conservative candidate. Meaning he will win those states over Hillary 60-40 instead of 65-35. That's the only downside. The upside is that as the nominee Rudy immediately puts New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and California in play for the Republicans, forcing Hillary to spend a fortune playing defense in big electoral states which she would otherwise have locked up without much of a fight.

You have to think Electoral College here - the Democratic candidate is in very good shape for 2008 if he or she doesn't have to defend any of the 2004 Kerry states. We are heading straight for the opposite of 2000 - a popular vote win for the Republican as red statesturn out en masse to expresss their disgust for Hillary, coupled with a narrow Electoral loss as Ohio goes Democrat and none of the 2004 Kerry states change hands.

I don't see any of the other Republican candidates taking back even one of those Kerry states - yet people on FR seem to think that because Thompson or Hunter might win some of the Southern states 70-30 they are better candidates. It boggles the mind...unless these people just want to lose honorably and make a statement. Rudy may not get the huge Southern popular vote that someone like Thompson could, but he'll win all of the 2004 Bush states in the South easily - and he has a much better chance to flip some of those Kerry states back to red. A Republican who wants to win must be able to do that.

Rudy is - like GWB, sad to say - essentially a JFK Democrat. But the American public has shown time and time again that they prefer JFK Democrats in the White House - they always vote for the candidate (even Reagan) who looks and sounds more like one.

40 posted on 08/09/2007 5:45:12 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: IrishMike

Hillary; Rudy. Two New York liberals. Somehow this represents a face off between liberals and conservatives? Only in the feeble mind of this writer.


41 posted on 08/09/2007 5:48:17 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Bush is no Rudy and Rudy is no Bush. Bush is pro-life.


42 posted on 08/09/2007 5:48:28 AM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: SMARTY

But is she legal ???


43 posted on 08/09/2007 5:48:56 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: IrishMike; rintense
I could not get the full article to download. Rudy is far from locking down the nomination. I don’t like some of Rudy’s positions, in particular, I wish he was for the FairTax, but few politicians are for it. However, Rudy has leadership, and would be competent. Bush, I give credit for his philosophy, except for Immigration, but frankly, competence could be improved upon. For some reason, Romney reminds me too much of Bush. McCain is well, forget it. Thompson is still out of it, and loosing ground.
It isn’t over since the first primary is in five months, but I do think the GOP needs to be prepared to get behind whoever the nominee might be.
ALL the DEMS are frightening. I watched them on TV before the labor crowd. They have moved so far to the left that they need to all put on hammer and sickles.
44 posted on 08/09/2007 5:53:15 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292631,00.html


45 posted on 08/09/2007 5:55:58 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: rintense

He won’t be and I am tired of people telling me it’s going to be him or Rommny. It’s not going to be either.


46 posted on 08/09/2007 5:56:11 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Chi-townChief

Absolutely! AND she did not get the job because she was hanging on to her ‘husband’s’ coat tails.

She knows what she is doing, doesn’t patronize anyone and from one day to the next, she has a pretty clear idea about who she is!!!


47 posted on 08/09/2007 5:58:45 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: IrishMike

Don’t think that it will be Rudy.


48 posted on 08/09/2007 6:03:19 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: IrishMike

I will vote for the Republican nominee. I will not stay home nor write in a name.

I will never, ever surrender to the democrats!!


49 posted on 08/09/2007 6:03:42 AM PDT by jch10
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To: savedbygrace

When I was in the army in 1975 cigs were $2 a carton.


50 posted on 08/09/2007 6:08:27 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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