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Mata Hari was only interested in one thing - and it wasn't espionage
Daily Mail ^ | August 10, 2007 | TONY RENNELL

Posted on 08/11/2007 9:03:36 AM PDT by processing please hold

She stood alone in the sodden field on the outskirts of Paris, her fashionable ankle boots firmly planted in the mud churned up by the cavalry who drilled there.

No, she would not be tied to the stake, she told her executioners politely. And nor would she allow them to blindfold her. She faced the barrels of the firing squad without flinching.

Earlier, at 5am, they had woken her in her filthy cell in the Prison de Saint-Lazare to tell her this was the day she would die. She dressed in her best - stockings, a low-cut blouse under a dove-grey, two-piece suit.

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Mata Hari 'drew every man's lustful admiration and every woman's envy'

On her head she perched a three-cornered hat at a jaunty angle, hiding her greying hair, unkempt and unwashed through nine months of incarceration. Over her shoulders she slung a vivid blue coat like a cloak to keep out the cold October air.

In a black car with its window blinds down, Margaretha Zelle, convicted of espionage, was then driven at speed through the still streets of the capital - a place she loved with a passion, though she was Dutch not French - to this damp and drear spot.

The 12 soldiers in their khaki uniforms and red fezzes raised their rifles. She waved to the two weeping nuns who had been her comfort in prison and on her last journey. She blew a kiss to the priest and another to her lawyer, an ex-lover.

The sun was coming up when the shots rang out. Zelle slumped to the ground. The officer in charge marched forward and fired a single bullet into her brain, the coup de grace.

An extraordinary life was over. The woman who was executed that day in 1917 was better known as Mata Hari, the name Zelle had chosen for herself when she became Europe's queen of unbridled eroticism, an exotic dancer, courtesan, harlot, great lover, spendthrift, liar, deceiver and thief.

And German spy? That is what - in the fevered atmosphere of France in World War I, with the Kaiser's troops encamped within its borders - she had been shot for. She caused the deaths of tens of thousands of French soldiers, it was said, a crime that would ever after make her synonymous with seduction and treachery, the ultimate femme fatale.

Except that she may not have been guilty at all.

In a new and fascinating biography, American academic Pat Shipman makes the case that, far from being the betrayer, she was the one betrayed, and by that breed she loved all her life - men.

It was men who, like witchhunters, built the case against her, driven by prejudice not fact. And with France gripped by anti-German spy mania, few would stick their heads above the parapet to defend her. Britain's fledgling intelligence service, MO5 (soon to change its name to MI5) also helped dig her grave with, as we will see, the dodgiest of dossiers.

But in the story of Mata Hari, there was one thing that needed no sexing-up - Mata herself. Sex was the driving force of her life.

In the little Dutch town where she grew up, her shopkeeper father lavished extremes of affection on his "little princess". It made her vain, self-centred and spoilt, and with an insatiable longing for male attention.

At school, the 16-year-old bedded the headmaster. Was he the seducer or her? No one knows, but this was 1893 and it was the girl who was sent home in shame.

The restless teenager now set about finding a man to take her away from the stuffiness of Dutch society. When, through a Lonely Hearts ad, she met Captain Rudof MacLeod, a hard-living, hard-drinking officer home on leave from Holland's vicious colonial wars in the East Indies, she didn't care that he was 22 years older than her.

He was handsome, with a splendid moustache. She was tall (5ft 10in) and elegant, with flirty dark eyes and a dark olive complexion. The attraction was immediate, sexual and very strong. She told him she longed to do "crazy things" and they were engaged within six days.

They married three months later, she in a bright yellow gown rather than the traditional white.

There were problems almost straight away. She couldn't keep her eyes off the other officers and, as she was the first to admit, did not have it within her to be "a good housewife".

"I was not content at home," she later confessed. "I wanted to live like a colourful butterfly in the sun."

He was jealous, though saw no reason why he should forego the womanising, drinking and coarseness of his bachelor days. He was constantly in debt; she was extravagant, always spending. As for his syphilis, caught overseas, he neglected to tell her.

The omens were not good. Nonetheless, she bore him two children, and they returned as a family to his new posting in the colonies. There, in the exotic surroundings of Indonesia, their marital problems multiplied.

She did not fit the mould of the officer's wife, not least because her dark skin made the snobbier women suggest she had native blood in her. To the men, however, that look was seductive, and she made the most of it.

"Her languid, graceful style of moving, her dark eyes and luxurious hair, telegraphed her sexuality to any male in her presence," writes Shipman. "She drew every man's lustful admiration and every woman's envy. She was seen as morally dangerous, selfish and frivolous."

The marriage deteriorated into sharp quarrels, too much drinking, rows about money and accusations of infidelity. But what destroyed the union was tragedy. Their son, Norman, was struck by serious illness and died at the age of two. His sister, one-year-old Nonnie, nearly died, too, but pulled through.

The boy's death shattered both parents. Who was to blame? A local nanny was said to have poisoned the children because of some grievance, real or imagined, against MacLeod, though no case was ever brought. Nor was the death ever reported in the colonial press. For some reason, it seemed to have been hushed up.

Shipman's hypothesis is that the children were being treated for congenital syphilis, caught from their father, and the garrison doctor accidentally overdosed them with mercury. Whatever the real cause of the boy's death, the couple blamed each other.

The relationship sank into hatred. His wife was "scum of the lowest kind" MacLeod told his family back in Holland, "a woman without heart, who cares nothing for anything".

On that he was wrong - she cared for officers. He caught her with a second lieutenant. She flaunted herself in a low-cut dress at a ball. She was punishing him by stoking up his jealousy. He punished her in return with a cat-o'-nine-tails.

She wrote to her father: "I cannot live with a man who is so despicable. I eat and live apart and I prefer to die before he touches me again. My children caught a disease from him."

MacLeod left the army and the family returned to Holland. There they separated. But MacLeod had one more weapon to use against her.

He put an advertisement in the local papers warning shops not to give her credit because he had resigned all responsibility for her. It left her penniless. She had to earn money - and there was only one way she knew how.

Sexual favours were her only useful assets, but she did not see Holland as the best place to exploit them. In 1903, with little money and no contacts, she took herself off to Paris. There, she would recreate herself as a model, an actress, perhaps, or a chic cosmopolitan in that chicest of cities.

But, as Shipman tells us, "the only dependable source of income available to her was pleasing men for money" - prostitution. But then a circus gave her a job, and the owner advised her where her talents lay - dancing.

And dance she did. From the depths of her experiences in the East Indies she invented what she called "sacred dances". They were exotic and seemed to have some mysterious eastern mythology about them but, most of all, they involved her ending up all but naked.

It was a brilliant move. Dancers at the Moulin Rouge were flashing their knickers and breasts but Zelle's great departure was to push the bounds of discretion even further and wrap sex up with religion and art.

She began by performing in private homes, but soon the stories of her "artistry" and, above all, her nudity were passing round the salons of Parisian high society. She wore a beaded metallic bra, which never came off - she was self-conscious about her tiny breasts - but the veils covering the rest of her floated free as she danced in "slow, undulating, tigerlike movements".

The critics enthused, "feline, trembling in a thousand rhythms, exotic yet deeply austere, slender and supple like a sacred serpent". She added spice to the performance with lies.

First there was her name - Mata Hari, meaning "sunrise" or, more literally, "the eye of the day", in the language of the Dutch East Indies. Then there were the stories to the press, that she was the daughter of an Indian temple dancer who had died giving birth to her, that she grew up in a jungle in Java.

Her life became an unending performance, both on stage and off. Her success seemed unstoppable and the money came rolling in. But she still managed to spend more than she earned as she travelled Europe, picking up lovers, dropping some, keeping others.

"Tonight I dine with Count A and tomorrow with Duke B. If I don't have to dance, I make a trip with Marquis C. I avoid serious liaisons. I satisfy all my caprices," she said.

All too soon she was suffering from over-exposure in another sense. By 1908 anyone who was anyone in Europe had seen her dance at least once, while the lesser theatres were overrun with imitators doing Oriental dances.

The dance work was now more irregular and increasingly she would have to rely on her men friends for her livelihood.

One, a stockbroker, provided her with a chateau in the Loire and another house on the Seine - until he went bankrupt. Still she refused to cut her prodigious spending or alter her outrageous lifestyle. When she was frantic for money, some said, she would ply her trade at Paris's maisons de rendez-vous, one step up from ordinary brothels.

Her financial problems seemed eased when in May 1914 she signed a contract to dance for six months at the Metropol in Berlin, starting in September.

But the political situation overtook her. When war broke out in August that year, though Holland was neutral, she was stuck in a now belligerent and increasingly jingoistic German capital with no money and no job. Her fur coats and money had been seized. She charmed a Dutch businessman to pay her train fare to Amsterdam.

Back in Holland, she took up again with a former lover. Aristocratic and wealthy, he was just her type. There she was visited by Karl Kroemer, the German consul, who told her he was recruiting spies. He gave her 20,000 francs and a code name, H21.

She took his money but she didn't take him seriously. She told herself the cash was compensation for the furs taken from her in Berlin and threw away the invisible ink he gave her.

"As she never had the slightest intention of spying for Germany, she felt no guilt or obligation to do anything for the money she had accepted. She had always taken money from men because she needed it and they had it; she always felt she deserved it," says Shipman. Others, ominously, would not agree.

Naively, she failed to realise the Europe she had travelled through so freely and so promiscuously had disappeared for ever.

British counter-intelligence certainly had her number. They stopped her at Folkestone, while she was travelling from Holland to France via Britain to avoid the front-line, and recorded that "although she was thoroughly searched and nothing incriminating was found, she is regarded by police and military to be not above suspicion".

A copy of the report was sent to intelligence officials in France, Britain's ally against Germany.

But on what was this suspicion based? The report noted that she "speaks French, English, Italian, Dutch and probably German. Handsome, bold type of woman".

And that, says Shipman was the key. "The problem was not what Mata Hari said but who she was. She was a woman travelling alone, obviously wealthy and an excellent linguist - too educated, too foreign. Worse yet, she admitted to having a lover. Women like that were immoral and not to be trusted."

A British intelligence officer in Holland now added to Mata Hari's dossier with rumours about payments to her from the German embassy. He added, with no evidence whatsoever: "One suspects her of having gone to France on an important mission that will profit the Germans."

In Paris, Mata resumed her glamorous life, living at the Grand Hotel and with plenty of men in uniform to keep her occupied. She did not know that two secret policemen were tailing her.

They steamed open her letters, questioned porters, waitresses and hairdressers and collected abundant evidence of her love life - but not of espionage. She spent a day and a night with the Marquis de Beaufort, had a flirtatious dinner with a purveyor of fine liquors and then met another lover, who embarrassingly for the secret policemen was a senior colleague from their own bureau.

But her main intention at this time was to get a permit to go to the town of Vittel, which was in the eastern war zone, because she was desperate to see the man with whom she had fallen deeply in love, a Russian captain 18 years her junior named Vadime.

For that, she had to apply to the head of French Intelligence, Captain Georges Ladoux, an ambitious man who had staked his reputation on France being riddled with foreign spies and his being able to destroy their network. He was in need of an attention-grabbing case to prove the worth of his bureau.

He regarded Mata as little better than a prostitute; she thought him small-minded and coarse. They fenced words with each other. She wanted her pass to Vittel. He agreed, if she promised to enlist as a spy for France.

The entire encounter was bizarre, Shipman argues. If Mata Hari was already a German spy, as Ladoux believed, then he was foolhardy to try to recruit her to be a French one.

Mata Hari was known by sight throughout Europe. Her comings and goings were reported in gossip columns. Wherever she went, she was the centre of attention. It is difficult to imagine a woman less able to engage in clandestine activities.

But she accepted his offer - as long as she was given enough money to pay off her massive debts and settle down with Vadime. The great seductress wanted out of the game.

But it was too late. Ladoux was convinced she was a German spy, however ridiculous that was. So, too, were the British. For Mata Hari, everything in her tangled life was unravelling dangerously.

She went to Vittel and had a blissful interlude in the spa town with her Russian. On her return to Paris, Ladoux sent her on her first mission - to German-occupied Belgium where she said an ex-lover could steer her into the arms of the German military governor.

But Belgium proved impossible to reach and she ended up in Spain. There, she turned her charms on a German captain, an intelligence officer named Kalle, and stretched out on a chaise longue as he told her secrets about German manoeuvres in North Africa.

This information she triumphantly passed on to Ladoux, believing she was doing his bidding, earning the million francs he had promised her. Instead, she had fallen into his trap. Her meetings with Kalle would be turned against her, twisted to claim that she was handing over French secrets to the enemy rather than teasing out German ones.

On February 10, 1917, a warrant for her arrest was signed by the French war minister. Three days later, police officers knocked on the door of her hotel room and found her eating breakfast in a lace-trimmed dressing gown. She was not, as wild rumours around Paris soon claimed,

naked.

At the Palais de Justice she faced the investigating magistrate, Pierre Bouchardon. "From the very first interview, I had the intuition that she was a person in the pay of our enemies," he wrote later. "I had but one thought - to unmask her."

The process was under way that would lead her unfairly but inexorably to her execution.

It did not seem to matter that no one had the least bit of evidence against her. Nor could anyone point to a single document, plan or secret that she passed to the Germans. Suspicion, envy and the prejudices of small-minded men would triumph.

Only 30 years after her death would one of her prosecutors concede the truth - "there wasn't enough evidence to flog a cat".


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I've always felt she got the bums rush. A sexually liberated woman at that time was taboo.
1 posted on 08/11/2007 9:03:39 AM PDT by processing please hold
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Mugshot


2 posted on 08/11/2007 9:11:45 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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The problem was not what Mata Hari said but who she was. She was a woman traveling alone, obviously wealthy and an excellent linguist - too educated, too foreign.

Can't blame them for concluding she was up to no good. She had been recruited by the enemy and they knew it.

As for the feminist victimology -- I say baloney. Boldness and language skills are always the mark of potential spies -- women AND men.

3 posted on 08/11/2007 9:13:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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I saw that picture. I started to post a before and after photo and that would have been my after. Thanks. She was 41 when executed.


4 posted on 08/11/2007 9:14:41 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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Let me guess, she was outted by Karl Rove. ;)


5 posted on 08/11/2007 9:15:51 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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i venture to guess a sizeable percentage of male freepers would “hit it” ; )


6 posted on 08/11/2007 9:15:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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It’s been almost 90 years since she was executed.


7 posted on 08/11/2007 9:17:33 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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you know, i kinda KNEW that. but considering what garners an “i’d hit it” graphic at FR, i thought i’d make my prediction early on in the thread.


8 posted on 08/11/2007 9:20:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: BenLurkin
She was innocent. Where's the evidence she was guilty?

Please, she liked sex and was promiscuous to say the least and that was her undoing in a puritanical era.

9 posted on 08/11/2007 9:21:13 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Perdogg
For those interested, "Matahari" is actually an Indonesian word that means "Sunday" which is made all the more relevant considering her Dutch ancestry.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

10 posted on 08/11/2007 9:21:46 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: Perdogg
Let me guess, she was outted by Karl Rove. ;)

Rumor has it. lol

11 posted on 08/11/2007 9:22:32 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: xsmommy

And stand in line-to ‘hit it’. ;)


12 posted on 08/11/2007 9:24:15 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Perdogg

90 years, long ago and still interesting to talk about.


13 posted on 08/11/2007 9:27:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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A heady combination of beauty and tragedy, for sure.
14 posted on 08/11/2007 9:28:55 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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Shipman's hypothesis is that the children were being treated for congenital syphilis, caught from their father

Doesn't happen. The kids caught it from Mom, who probably caught it from Dad.

15 posted on 08/11/2007 9:29:28 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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and declared NOT GUILTY to boot ; )


16 posted on 08/11/2007 9:29:28 AM PDT by xsmommy
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In a new and fascinating biography

Typical modern publishing ploy. Offer a radical theory challenging the conventional history based on a postmodern ideology of victimhood (subject persecuted for being a sexually-liberated woman, or a homosexual, or a whatever). Author second-guesses everyone on the scene from 100 years later, and purports to be able to read the mind of the long-dead subject.

17 posted on 08/11/2007 9:29:47 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: xsmommy

I was worried about posting that risque picture, but that’s how the world sees her...the provocative femme fatale.


18 posted on 08/11/2007 9:31:56 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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i think it’s extremely interesting, i had never really seen a pic of her. she is attractive in an exotic kind of way, and it definitely demonstrates her sensuality and how provocative that would have been in those days.


19 posted on 08/11/2007 9:34:16 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Did you not read the last sentence of the article?

Only 30 years after her death would one of her prosecutors concede the truth - "there wasn't enough evidence to flog a cat".

If you have evidence of her guilt, post it.

20 posted on 08/11/2007 9:35:29 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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That technique sells a lot of books to simple-minded people though.Same folks that buy the Globe,Weekly World News,etc....
21 posted on 08/11/2007 9:35:37 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (That was a hell of a thing!)
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Later reading bump


22 posted on 08/11/2007 9:35:52 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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This source indicates that she was not only a spy but was a double agent. Foloish and dangerous — but makes sense that it would appeal to her, a thrill seeker.

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,574775,00.html

Her international fame and the fact that she moved in the highest European circles drew the attention of the French secret service during the first world war. It decided to enlist her as a spy.

In 1915, she asked permission to visit her lover, Captain Vadim Maslov, a Russian pilot flying with the French, at a hospital in the Hague. French officials allowed her to do so, in return for her agreement to spy on the Germans. For this work, she was to get 1m francs.

MI5 monitored Mata Hari after she settled in the Hague, and the files on her have been recently published, showing that she was being paid by the German embassy.

An intelligence report in February 1916 said that she was “in relation with highly placed people and during her sojourn in France she made the acquaintance of many French and Belgian officers”.

“She is suspected of having been to France on important missions for the Germans,” the report said .

In November 1916, British authorities took Mata Hari off a steamer that had docked at the port of Falmouth while going from Spain to Holland. They thought she was another German spy, Clara Benedix. Taken to be interviewed by MI5 and the police, she told them she had been recruited by a Belgian officer, to work for his country’s intelligence service.

There was insufficient evidence to detain her and she was sent back to Spain.

But on her return to Spain she met and had a fateful affair with the German military attache, Major Kalle. He sent a message to Berlin which the Allies could read, saying that spy “H21” had proved valuable.

The following year when she tried to cross into France to visit one of her lovers, Mata Hari was arrested by French agents and questioned. Initially she admitted to taking money from Germans but claimed it was for love, not spying.

When presented with secret ink found in her room, she claimed it was part of her makeup. Under later interrogation, however, she confessed to being H21 and was put on trial in Paris.

A French intelligence report said: “Mata Hari today confessed that she has been engaged by Consul Cremer of Amsterdam for the German secret service.” She admitted sending “general information of every kind procurable”, though she mentioned no military secrets.


23 posted on 08/11/2007 9:37:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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and, if anything, my comment speaks more to the ludicrousness of the “I’d hit it” phenomena [generally speaking; “breathing, female and mammal” would be hit by a decent %, and if the mammal is thin and has a hank of blonde hair on it somewhere, that % skyrockets.... ; )] than on the photo you posted.


24 posted on 08/11/2007 9:38:07 AM PDT by xsmommy
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She accepted 20,000 francs from a German consul explicitly for the purpose of being a spy for the Germans. The author admits this.

The rest of this stuff from the author - “she told herself this” “she convinced herself of that,” with which the author purports to exonerate her, is mind-reading.


25 posted on 08/11/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Do you know why she always wore those breast plate bras? She was self conscience of her very small breast. She even wore them during sex. She would tell her lovers that her husband bit her nipples off.

Great pictures. I think I'll snag 'em. :)

26 posted on 08/11/2007 9:38:27 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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Very interesting story


27 posted on 08/11/2007 9:39:38 AM PDT by ValerieTexas
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She prostituted herself for money. What hooker gives away their services? That's not evidence. That shows the men paid highly for her sexual favors. She was given chateaus by her lovers.

Try again.

28 posted on 08/11/2007 9:40:55 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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I’d never heard of congenital syphilis before. I figured she caught it from her husband too.


29 posted on 08/11/2007 9:42:55 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Ouch I forgot to quote this --

"Mata Hari, meaning "sunrise" or, more literally, "the eye of the day", in the language of the Dutch East Indies.

The article above is incorrect, "matahari" means "Sunday" not "sunrise" which would be "matahari terbit".

The literal translation is also questionable, while "mata" does mean eye and "hari" means day, it really can't be translated in the context to mean "eye of the day"

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

30 posted on 08/11/2007 9:43:06 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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I don’t remember ... my Malay is real rusty (circa. 1970) but IIRC Ahad is Malay/Indonesian for Sunday (the day) and Matahari is Sun or the Eye of the Day (the big thermonuclear generator in the sky).

My screen name is Malay/Indonesian - a nick name given to me by the locals back in the 70’s.


31 posted on 08/11/2007 9:44:22 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: xsmommy
Not guilty.

You'll notice 'some' of the men on this thread are going insane. hmmmmmm.

They can't handle the truth. LOLOL

I love that line.

32 posted on 08/11/2007 9:45:59 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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From the headline I knew this had to be from a British tabloid: "Mata Hari was only interested in one thing - and it wasn't espionage."

Typical modern publishing ploy. Offer a radical theory challenging the conventional history based on a postmodern ideology of victimhood (subject persecuted for being a sexually-liberated woman, or a homosexual, or a whatever). Author second-guesses everyone on the scene from 100 years later, and purports to be able to read the mind of the long-dead subject.

That sounds about right. One of the problems with this is that you can't just assume that "the patriarchy" or all men hated and stigmatized promiscuous women (or homosexuals and lesbians). Things were more complex than that back in the days of the Tsar, the Kaiser, Diaghilev, and Marcel Proust.

Courtisans like Liane de Pougy and La Belle Otero and actresses like Bernhardt and Duse had an ambiguous position in society, suggested by the word demi-monde. The strictest members of the middle class might spurn them, but the aristocracy was more lenient.

33 posted on 08/11/2007 9:46:35 AM PDT by x
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Please, she liked sex and was promiscuous to say the least and that was her undoing in a puritanical era.

You mean she was a female Clinton? Those types of people are always trustworthy.

She probably was innocent of spying.........but she wasn't innocent and played dangerous games in order to feed her immoral life.

34 posted on 08/11/2007 9:47:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

She definitely had a great body.


35 posted on 08/11/2007 9:50:19 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: xsmommy
She was beautiful.

and it definitely demonstrates her sensuality and how provocative that would have been in those days.

Women just didn't do that back then. They were too busy being revived with smelling salts because their binding corsets cut off their air supply. :)

36 posted on 08/11/2007 9:50:57 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

sounds like she would have given her eyeteeth for some breast implants too, had she even known such a thing were possible!


37 posted on 08/11/2007 9:52:07 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ValerieTexas

Yes it is.


38 posted on 08/11/2007 9:53:30 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
She prostituted herself for money. What hooker gives away their services? That's not evidence.

Did read the posted article? The author is NOT claiming the 20,000 francs she received was for prostitution, as you state.

Based on the following passage, it seems clear the "aristocratic and wealthy" "former lover" she was having sex with at the time WAS NOT the person who gave her the 20,000 francs to be a spy. It was another person, the German consul who gave her the money. The author does NOT state she was having sex with the German consul who gave her the money.

The author's theory is NOT that the 20,000 francs was for prostitution services, but rather that she believed it was "compensation for furs taken from her in Berlin."

Back in Holland, she took up again with a former lover. Aristocratic and wealthy, he was just her type. There she was visited by Karl Kroemer, the German consul, who told her he was recruiting spies. He gave her 20,000 francs and a code name, H21. She took his money but she didn't take him seriously. She told herself the cash was compensation for the furs taken from her in Berlin and threw away the invisible ink he gave her.

39 posted on 08/11/2007 9:55:49 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: DJ MacWoW
She probably was innocent of spying.........but she wasn't innocent and played dangerous games in order to feed her immoral life.

I agree with both aspects of that statement. However, you don't execute women for being whores.

40 posted on 08/11/2007 9:57:16 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: xsmommy

LOL. If it was possible back then I have no doubt she would of had it done.


41 posted on 08/11/2007 9:58:17 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Bobibutu
Ouch! yup you are correct my mistake - don't know how I made that mistake - not sure what I was thinking - it is not often you see the words separated like that.

Awak matahari saya Bobi

42 posted on 08/11/2007 10:00:58 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
They stole all she had, she saw it as restitution. She liked sex and luxury.

What I meant by my statement was that 20,000 francs was nothing compared to 'gifts' her other lovers bestowed on her.

She was not a spy.

43 posted on 08/11/2007 10:04:36 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
However, you don't execute women for being whores.

That's not what she was executed for. She took money from the Germans and the French. She played a dangerous game and paid for it.

44 posted on 08/11/2007 10:08:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead)
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To: Bobibutu; expatguy

I’ve read articles where mata hari means, ‘Eye of Dawn.’


45 posted on 08/11/2007 10:11:51 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: DJ MacWoW

She was naive and stupid when it came to politics. She wasn’t a spy.


46 posted on 08/11/2007 10:14:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Here's a snip.

But beauty, then as now, was in the eye of the beholder and what European crowds were witnessing was the slow progression of time, and competition from other - younger - dancers. To supplement her income from performing, she turned to sex to pay the bills and fancied herself a "courtesan" - there to entertain and please the men in power: those in the government and military.

Even though Europe was slowly being divided by political turmoil and war seemed certain, Mata Hari paid no attention to which side of the political field her lovers were on. She was just as available to the Germans as to the French, and because of her citizenship, was able to freely move from country to country.

I'm no mata hari expert, I find her a fascinating woman in history.

47 posted on 08/11/2007 10:20:06 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
She was 41 when executed.

*************

I guess she led a hard life. She looks much older.

48 posted on 08/11/2007 10:22:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: processing please hold
"However, you don't execute women for being whores."
No?
49 posted on 08/11/2007 10:24:32 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: processing please hold
She was naive and stupid when it came to politics. She wasn’t a spy.

I agree with that but she took money to spy. That got her executed.

You're buying into a "poor victim" rant by a lefty liberal. "She was executed for her lifestyle" is crap. Do you know who Pat Shipman is?

My new hero, Pat Shipman

Being Stalked by Intelligent Design

50 posted on 08/11/2007 10:26:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead)
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