Posted on 08/13/2007 1:35:22 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
A few blocks from the Newark schoolyard where the killings had been carried out, Gloria Gomez sat on her porch in the fading afternoon light, hardship etched on her careworn face, and tears welled in her eyes as she spoke of her two fugitive sons...
“I raised them honestly, through my hard work,” the 45-year-old mother said in Spanish, remembering 20 years of cleaning other people’s houses, of abandonment by two husbands and of life as an immigrant...
Ms. Gomez’s sons — Rodolfo Godinez, 24, and his 16-year-old half brother — were still being sought by the police yesterday in the close-range shootings that killed three young people and wounded a fourth at a playground at the Mount Vernon School on Aug. 4...Three people have been arrested in the shootings: Jose Lachira Carranza, 28, and two teenagers...authorities were seeking a sixth person...
Ms. Gomez indicated that she was only vaguely aware that her older son had been in trouble with the law. According to Essex County records, Mr. Godinez was arrested in 2003 and sentenced to 18 months’ probation and fined for theft. He was also placed on probation for theft when he was 16, according to a law enforcement official...He became a legal permanent resident of the United States in 2001...
Recalling her family odyssey, Ms. Gomez said she immigrated alone from Nicaragua in 1987 to escape poverty and war. She traveled through Mexico, settled in Newark and got cleaning work... Later, she married her younger son’s father, who also abandoned her and became a drug addict...
The teenager’s page on the MySpace social-networking Web site has references to MS-13...along with a picture of him wearing a bandanna over the lower half of his face...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
She also regrets ever coming to USA.
SO DO WE SO DO WE.
ICE should put her on a plane back to Nicaragua.
If she fled the Sandinista regime, she may be a refugee and not a garden-variety illegal alien.
“I raised them honestly...”
No, you raised them to disrespect the laws of the country you yourself were disrespecting. You raised them to be outlaws.
I’m tired of excuses being made for cold blooded murderers! I don’t care if she struggled, was single, etc....she could have raised her sons to respect the law!
Oops, sorry....Mama don’t respect the law, does she?
Boys need a strong (moral, lawful, ethical, responsible & respectful of the mother) father figure when they grow up; mother’s just can’t fill the slot the same way a man does.
Do you have anything other than your own opinion on which to base that claim?
PING
Mama raised a murderer....and likely broke immigration laws...so if that’s the case she has 20 years of criminal history already!
I wasn’t aware we were prohibited from posting opinions on Free Republic. Silly me!
Leave it to the New York Slimes to turn this heinous crime into a sniveling feel-good piece for an “immigrant.”
Gloria, you raised garbage. This comes as no surprise, because you are garbage. You and your sons are the kind of garbage that most decent Americans hate. You are freeloading termites eating away at the public decency of our country. You were probably gargabe where you were, and you are garbage here! Your sons deserve no quater, and you should be deported immediately!
Yes, we are allowing ourselves to be overrun by the dregs of the Third World.
The underlying story suggests that she's legal. Specifically,
She said she last saw her sons before dawn on July 17, when she and her mother, Luisa Rayo, with whom she lives, flew to their native Nicaragua for a visit with relatives in Tipitapa, a town near Managua, the capital.... she learned of the killings and the hunt for her sons only when she returned Tuesday....
Note: she flew out of the county, and then presumably flew back into the country. And if so, she had to pass through customs -- which would indicate that she had proper legal documentation.
I would simply note that the resident FR bigotry has again raised its ugly head, presuming "illegal" apparently without basis other than personal bias.
FReepers can be a sickening crowd, sometimes. Some of the crap on this thread falls into that bucket.
“Do you have anything other than your own opinion on which to base that claim?”
As Pres. Reagan would say, “There you go again.”
Tell me, are you ever right on ANYTHING?
She’s obviously lying through her teeth...she contradicts herself again and again.
You have a funny way of defining "garbage." But garbage is as garbage does -- and your post seems to indicate that you know garbage first hand.
Perhaps you should try to answer it instead: do you assume she's an illegal? And if so, on what basis do you make your claim?
Who can blame them? The media tries very hard to mislead about the legal/illegal status of people. They have an agenda and they push it, facts be damned.
Could she have been made legal in Reagan’s amnesty? I can’t off the top of my head remember the date of that.
susie
So one of the criminals is an illegal alien and the other is an anchor baby?
How much do you want to bet that her green card stems from the 16-year-old anchor baby/MS-13 member?
LOL! Yeah, like the FR "assume illegality" choir doesn't match that description to a T.
Who can blame them?
I can blame them, and I do. For all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the MSM failing to look at facts, some FReepers seem awfully willing to dispense with facts as well, when it suits their agenda to do so. This thread appears to be one such case: what facts we do have seem to support the fact that she's here legally. For example, she apparently successfully went through Customs when she returned from Nicaragua -- which is an indication that her papers were at least in order.
Could she have been made legal in Reagan’s amnesty? I can’t off the top of my head remember the date of that.
Reagan signed the immigration reform bill in 1986. However, Ms. Gomez hails from Nicaragua, and at the time she left there she was automatically eligible for political asylum in the US, so I don't think the '86 amnesty had much to do with her status.
Just heard that the cretin adult son was caught.
You seem kinda angry. I recommend a nice latte with a shot of bourbon.
susie
LOL! I’m not naive — I simply prefer base my comments on facts rather than personal biases. The only facts available from this story, seem to suggest that she’s legal.
No, not angry. Really disgusted, yes. Pitying of those who suffer from FR immigration lemming complex, yes. But not angry.
Hadn’t thought of that.
Truthfully, when the media doesn’t explicitly state that an immigrant is here legally, I assume they are not. This may make some people angry, but it’s the result of a media that tries to hide the truth to push their agenda.
susie
If it bothers you, perhaps along with the latte you might avoid threads like this. Just a thought. It might do your blood pressure good.
susie
Cute, susie. But not very impressive. Do YOU have any factual basis for assuming she’s illegal?
Classic! Thanks for posting! lol
Whether she is legal or not remains to be seen. As to that funny way of defining garbage, what’s funny about it? Behavior tells what we need to know; thoughts and even words are often God’s business to interpret, but behavior is our business, and we are fit to judge on that basis.
As the article is murky on that topic I can only glean as you did. She came here in 1987, thru Mexico. This is typical for illegal aliens, so that could lead one to believe she was one at least when she came over. She brought her 4 year old son, who did not become a legal permanent resident until 2001. I’m not positive what that means, but it sounds like he was not legally here. If she was, why wasn’t he?
At any rate, I never made any definitive statement about her status, so I’m not sure why you chose me to address. Maybe because everyone else is ignoring you.
susie
First generation works incredibly hard, trying to make a better life for their families. Much of the second generation feels entitled to a good life without the hard work. We are heading for some really difficult times.
Another article has this “It also emerged that one of the fugitives, Rodolfo Godinez, obtained a green card in 2001 and was allowed to stay in the United States despite later robbery and assault arrests, immigration authorities said yesterday.”
If his mother was legal, wouldn’t he have been as well in 2000 before getting this green card?
She had two bad seeds.....can we all agree on that????
It appears she was here legal and sent for the oldest cretin after she got here.
It appears she had the youngest cretin in USA.
Both have different fathers.
It would be too easy to blame her for the actions of her sons.
It would also have been typical for Nicaraguan refugees, of which she was one. The smart money would go on the assumption that she's here as a result of the political asylum rules that were in place at the time.
She brought her 4 year old son,
Probably incorrect. According to the story, "She said she saved money and sent for 4-year-old Rodolfo, whose father abandoned her when she was pregnant." A rather different scenario -- albeit an irrelevant one if she was here due to gaining political asylum.
who did not become a legal permanent resident until 2001.
If he was 4 in 1987, that makes him 18 in 2001. He was eligible to be a "legal dependent" until age 21. However, the story says he "moved out when he was a teenager," and it seems likely that his own registration for permanent residency dates from that point.
All in all, you have not made a particularly compelling argument.
Yes, but he'd have been a dependent, and thus covered under her legal status. Once he moved out, he'd have had to become legal on his own.
Those damn legal immigrants!
Is she really illegal, or do you simply assume that she is illegal?
In any case both of her sons -- murderous bastards that they appear to be -- are legal.
I really don't know her status, but the few facts that we do have seem to support the idea that she's here legally.
In this case, I think we can instead chalk it up to the toxic combination of poor, single mother, in a bad neighborhood. The gangs thrive on it.
How's this for bias?
Stop ALL IMMIGRATION, legal and illegal. These fine boys and their SWELL Mama were given legal status! WHY?? Obviously this government can't do their job. If and when it's fixed, return to sensible immigration from all over the world (instead of just over the southern border and Muslims), like some of those Christians being murdered daily in the Sudan. Do you think your compadres south of the border give a damn about them?
I think parents almost always have some culpability in how their kids turn out. Not everyone would agree with that, and sometimes no matter what you do, your kid just really really has a screw loose and is going to be trouble. However, from reading what she says, I see some things that are red flags. First, she has children by men who aren’t good father material. Now, once, sure anyone can be naive and make a mistake. More than once and it looks like a pattern.
Second, she didn’t know if she knew her son had been in trouble with the law? Doesn’t sound like a very involved mother, perhaps.
She didn’t seem to know who her kids friends were either.
I’m not going to suggest she deserves any sort of punishment, because having your child do something like this has got to be gut wrenching. But, I think we should all look carefully at how people are raising their kids, and not just imagine that it’s just bad dumb luck when their kids turn out to be the worst kind of cold blooded murderer.
susie
LOL
I think we can safely say you're married to your opinion, which is fine by me, but it's pointless for us to go over it again. People can certainly read and comprehend for themselves. If I've not made a case (which is not what I was trying to do btw, my original point was that people have every reason to believe the media will withhold info on the legal status of *immigrants*) then people will see that. You seem to just be itching for a fight. So, I bow out now.
susie
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