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A Life of Hardship, and Now, Two Fugitive Sons {Newark execution murders}
New York Times ^ | August 13, 2007 | ROBERT D. McFADDEN and ANNIE CORREAL

Posted on 08/13/2007 1:35:22 PM PDT by 3AngelaD

A few blocks from the Newark schoolyard where the killings had been carried out, Gloria Gomez sat on her porch in the fading afternoon light, hardship etched on her careworn face, and tears welled in her eyes as she spoke of her two fugitive sons...

“I raised them honestly, through my hard work,” the 45-year-old mother said in Spanish, remembering 20 years of cleaning other people’s houses, of abandonment by two husbands and of life as an immigrant...

Ms. Gomez’s sons — Rodolfo Godinez, 24, and his 16-year-old half brother — were still being sought by the police yesterday in the close-range shootings that killed three young people and wounded a fourth at a playground at the Mount Vernon School on Aug. 4...Three people have been arrested in the shootings: Jose Lachira Carranza, 28, and two teenagers...authorities were seeking a sixth person...

Ms. Gomez indicated that she was only vaguely aware that her older son had been in trouble with the law. According to Essex County records, Mr. Godinez was arrested in 2003 and sentenced to 18 months’ probation and fined for theft. He was also placed on probation for theft when he was 16, according to a law enforcement official...He became a legal permanent resident of the United States in 2001...

Recalling her family odyssey, Ms. Gomez said she immigrated alone from Nicaragua in 1987 to escape poverty and war. She traveled through Mexico, settled in Newark and got cleaning work... Later, she married her younger son’s father, who also abandoned her and became a drug addict...

The teenager’s page on the MySpace social-networking Web site has references to MS-13...along with a picture of him wearing a bandanna over the lower half of his face...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aliens; carranza; gangviolence; godinez; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; newark
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To: Continental Soldier
sounds like this woman wanted a better life in America for her son....sounds like she worked a hard physical job to earn money....

there is no information that she was a bad mother or taught her sons anything criminal or immoral...

I am glad that everybody's kids here on FR turned out so great but I happen to work with lots of people that are morally sound that have horrendous children.....

sometimes there is only so much you can do as a parent, especially a single parent....

our local upstanding supervisor of a large suburban school district had his son pull out a gun and kill someone...so yes, it happens....

61 posted on 08/13/2007 10:56:21 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Freee-dame

I don’t buy that. How is it that Asians come here, and yes I do know there are Asian gangs, but the vast majority do excellent in school. The same with people from India. They too have major language issues and we don’t cater to them. The older one was brought here at 4, obivously the younger was born here, neither took advantage of the free education. Yet, the 4 young people they shot did and were going to make something of their lives. The mothers ignorance is astounding. We have lowered the bar so much when it comes to our society and children, all in the name of liberal social experimentation and being PC.


62 posted on 08/14/2007 3:20:21 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: cherry
sounds like this woman wanted a better life in America for her son....sounds like she worked a hard physical job to earn money

Lets not get into a pity party for the woman. She was here 20 years and she can't speak English!! Wouldn't you say that is probably a major factor in the fact that she could not do anything other than a "hard physical job"? People from all over the world come here, don't speak english yet they manage to learn it in less than 20 years and do fine. We seem to forgive this when latinos are involved. With all of the assistance they get through the schools and churches etc., they never seem to take advantage of it. Why? We constantly hear how we are a nation of immigrants and we compare these poor latinos to our ancestors. My grandfather came here ALONE at 15. He did not have a high school education, came here from Italy, learned to speak english by himself and by the time he was 30 owned a business and real estate. English was the ONLY language spoken at home even though my grandmother is also Italian. He is dead now but I would guess he wanted to be an American and appreciated the freedom that America had to offer him and he took advantage of it instead of coming here and expecting America and Americans to take care of him. And one other thing, any mother who is so ignorant to what her 15 year old child is doing is a bad mother.

63 posted on 08/14/2007 3:41:55 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: brytlea

Reagan amnesty was in 1986. Technically, it was the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty. And even then, it took them four years to pass it. So we are not through with Kennedy-Kyl yet.


64 posted on 08/14/2007 5:57:32 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: r9etb

When an illegal alien has a baby on American soil, they immediately go to the head of the line and are granted legal permanent residency. I suspect that is the case with this woman. The key element that makes me assume she entered illegally is that she came through Mexico. Legal entrants from Nicaragua do not have to take that middle passage. I am reasonably sure she is legal now, but I am also reasonably sure she arrived here illegally.


65 posted on 08/14/2007 6:01:42 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: cherry

Thank you for your post, Cherry. From what you said, you seem clearly a decent and compassionate person. Believe it or not, I strive to be that, as well. But I stumble over horrific events and outrageous behavior, not just the behavior of perpetrators of heinous crimes, but the self-serving government establishment that enables such criminal behavior. Perhaps, in the final analysis, Gloria will prove to be legal (although I doubt it), and she will be the one exception to the rule: a hard-working woman battling enormous odds against poverty and the huge demands of parental responsibility (although I doubt that, as well). To the degree that your post suggests moderation on my part, I agree, and I thank you again for calling mercy to the table. Let the case unfold; let us learn what we will learn.


66 posted on 08/14/2007 1:55:37 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: r9etb

You clearly see what you want to see.
susie


67 posted on 08/15/2007 6:03:09 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

AH, yes. Have a nice, if myopic, life, sue.


68 posted on 08/15/2007 6:05:48 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: cherry
We all live with our own decisions. If we make bad ones (bad choices of men to have children with for instance,) it’s especially bad if that impacts other people.
I’m tired of excuses. One bad seed is possible. Two? Sorry, the evidence is that she did something that made her a less than stellar Mom.
It doesn’t mean I don’t feel sorry for her. I do. I cannot imagine living with the fact that my kids killed innocent people. And this wasn’t just a killing. This was 3 (and attempted 4) cold blooded murders—heinous crimes. She doesn’t sound like the sort of person who consciously raised her kids to do that. However, most people never murder anyone, and most people don’t raise murderers. Instead of excusing it, why are we so loathe to try to figure out what went wrong and learn from it? If it means we must somehow convince women that having babies with the wrong sorts of guys is socially unacceptable, then lets do it.
susie
69 posted on 08/15/2007 6:09:41 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: r9etb
that the resident FR bigotry has again raised its ugly head

Yep. Possibly the bigotry is yours.

Why are you here on free republic if you want to defend illegals and murderers?

70 posted on 08/15/2007 6:11:37 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
Silly, silly jane.

If you take a deep breath and an unbiased look, you'll find that I'm not defending illegals or murderers on this thread. As it happens, I am defending somebody who apparently is here legally.

I will, however, stand by my assertion that bigots have infested this thread, and FR in general. It's pretty disgusting.

71 posted on 08/15/2007 7:21:50 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: 3AngelaD

“I regret ever coming to the United States,” she said

Other than this it is clear that every word she speaks is a lie.

Get out then, you useless woman. Get out and stay out. Your little bambinos will have to stay however, since they will have long and hopefully miserable prison sentences to serve.


72 posted on 08/16/2007 10:17:04 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: r9etb; All
No te das quenta? "...One month later Godinez was charged in an another robbery, but that case was downgraded to a disorderly persons offense and referred to a municipal court judge.

Godinez became a fugitive when he failed to appear before Superior Court Judge Garry Furnari on the Irvington indictment.

On the night of the schoolyard homicides, Godinez was believed living on Midland Place in Newark. Previously he had lived at the Ivy Hill Park apartments, near the scene of the killings.

Yesterday, a manager at the apartment complex said Godinez' mother, Gloria Gomez, and her two sons were thrown out of the Ivy Hill Park apartments in 2005.

Security officers at the complex found her younger son and some friends inside an empty apartment, damaging the premises, said Joe Catano, assistant administrator for the apartment. The son was charged with malicious mischief, Catano said.

Then managers found his mother living in a different unit, under someone else's name, Catano said.

"Both kids were nothing but trouble," Catano said of Godinez and his younger brother.

Gomez then moved to the second-floor apartment of a house on nearby Midland Place. The owner of that house, who refused to give his name, said she paid $975 a month in rent and was a good tenant.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=197061

73 posted on 08/16/2007 3:02:21 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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