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Triple US murder sparks immigration debate[New Jersey]
Ireland On-line ^ | 13 Aug 2007 | Ireland On-Line

Posted on 08/13/2007 2:48:07 PM PDT by BGHater

The murder of three people at a school in New Jersey has further sparked an already contentious immigration debate, with critics of the city’s current immigration policies highlighting that one of the alleged attackers was in the US illegally and had faced serious criminal charges before.

Newark city councilman Ron Rice today said he was introducing a bill that would require local police to notify federal immigration authorities whenever they arrest someone living the US illegally who is charged with committing a felony.

The bill would be the first piece of legislation resulting from the shooting of four Newark college students, which left three dead and one wounded.

One suspect, 28-year-old Jose Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was granted bail earlier this year when he was charged with assault and child rape.

Today, a judge revoked his £100,000 (€148,000) bail at the request of prosecutors. Carranza’s attorney did not object.

Carranza attended the 5-minute hearing but did not speak. His listened to the discussions, which were translated, through headphones.

“He clearly should not have been out on the street,” said Rice.

The case comes at a time when a growing number of US communities and cities - frustrated with what they say is the federal government’s inability to address the illegal immigration issue – are trying to enact laws aimed at curtailing the number of such immigrants in their area.

The laws, which range from denying public services to illegal immigrants to penalising businesses who hire them, have been approved or considered in dozens of communities across the US.

In all, state lawmakers have introduced more than 1,400 measures related to immigration this year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The guidelines Rice is calling for would change policy for law enforcement in the city.

The shootings have ratcheted up anger in New Jersey’s largest city where the number of killings to date, 60, is nearly even with last year’s pace of 63, even as the overall crime rate has fallen.

The killings have prompted billboards in the downtown area that scream, “HELP WANTED: Stop the Killings in Newark Now!”

Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that the office generally refers cases of illegal aliens to federal immigration authorities only after the defendant is convicted and sentenced. Notifying authorities earlier might result in having suspects deported before they could be punished for their crimes.

The four victims, friends ages 18 to 20, were shot Aug. 4 while visiting in a school. The three who died were forced to kneel against a wall and shot at close range. Authorities have said robbery appeared to be the motive.

So far, authorities have arrested three people in the case – Carranza and two juveniles – and secured a warrant for a warrant for a fourth, Rodolfo Godinez, 24. Authorities say they are looking for additional suspects, but not have named any of them publicly.

Police spokesman Todd McClendon would not comment today on a report in The Star-Ledger of Newark that two of the remaining suspects are juveniles.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; ms13; murder; newjersey
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1 posted on 08/13/2007 2:48:12 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Sparks a debate?

BUILD THE FENCE and get every illegal from every country back where they belong.

Let’s clean house.
Report any illegals now.


2 posted on 08/13/2007 2:51:51 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (Part of the RIGHT-Wing Machine.)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Ditto!!!


3 posted on 08/13/2007 2:53:19 PM PDT by GOPologist (By the time you decide to look for greener pastures, you're too old to climb the fence.)
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To: BGHater
Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that the office generally refers cases of illegal aliens to federal immigration authorities only after the defendant is convicted and sentenced. Notifying authorities earlier might result in having suspects deported before they could be punished for their crimes.

That might make sense if you actually convicted and sentenced them rather than TURNING THEM LOOSE!

4 posted on 08/13/2007 2:53:45 PM PDT by OCC
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To: BGHater

yet another honest hardworking man just here to change his economic status. Give him citizenship. All he is trying to do is earn a living. Yes, he broke some laws in the process, but the laws are unfair. He needed the money so he broke the law to get it. How can people not understand. He can pay a fine to compenstate for the law he broke and then get on a path to legal citizen status.


5 posted on 08/13/2007 2:53:54 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: BGHater

The other day, on the local news, a prosecutor looked into the cameras and said “don’t blame us, don’t blame me, don’t blame the mayor”.


6 posted on 08/13/2007 2:54:30 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: BGHater

Bush step in , no more sanctuary cities, hold back state aid, the law is on the books, enforce it!


7 posted on 08/13/2007 2:55:38 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: samtheman

I hope that mayor is awfully uncomfortable right now. The illegal didn’t turn himself in to the police, he went to the mayor where he thought he would be safe.


8 posted on 08/13/2007 2:57:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: samtheman
“He clearly should not have been out on the street,” said Rice.

He can be out on the street as long as he is dancing the Tyburn Jig.

9 posted on 08/13/2007 2:57:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: BGHater
Ron Rice is the Chuckie Schumer of NJ politics.
Pretty sure he introduced a bill once before that would delay issuing drivers licenses to teenage car thieves...yeah that sure slowed em down eh Ronnie?
10 posted on 08/13/2007 2:58:06 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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The case comes at a time when a growing number of US communities and cities - frustrated with what they say is the federal government’s inability to address the illegal immigration issue – are trying to enact laws aimed at curtailing the number of such immigrants in their area.

Federalism in action.
11 posted on 08/13/2007 2:59:05 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: BGHater
Newark killer accused of child rape

NEWARK, N.J., Aug. 13 (UPI) -- A Peruvian man who is accused of killing three college students in Newark, N.J., appeared in court Monday on unrelated assault and child-rape charges.

Jose Lachira Carranza, 28, appeared before Superior Court Judge Thomas Vena in a Newark courtroom shackled and wearing an orange prison jumpsuit, the Newark Star-Ledger reported.

Carranza was in court on a 31-count indictment from July in which he was accused of sexually assaulting a young girl for 4 years, staring when the girl was 5.

The head of the Essex County Prosecutor's Office Child Abuse Unit, Mark Ali, said he would give Carranza's lawyer a transcript of a videotaped interview with the alleged child victim before the next scheduled hearing on Sept. 24.

The accused was also charged with assaulting four men at a West Orange restaurant in 2006.

12 posted on 08/13/2007 3:07:11 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: sweetiepiezer

“Sparks a debate?”

How about we “spark” the electric chair for the democrat party vermin who created sanctuary cities, thereby providing safe haven for these murdering criminals?

Oh, and WHERE’S THE FENCE?


13 posted on 08/13/2007 3:08:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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14 posted on 08/13/2007 3:11:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: OCC
Notifying authorities earlier might result in having suspects deported before they could be punished for their crimes.

Carranza was twice charged with robbery, pled to burglary, and was sentenced to 18 months of probation each time. This was a few years before he started on rape and murder (or at least the rapes and murders he's charged with now). So it would have been just dandy if he had been deported before being "punished."

Mrs VS

15 posted on 08/13/2007 3:12:39 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: sweetiepiezer

Report them to local law enforcement which will do nothing.


16 posted on 08/13/2007 3:16:34 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: BGHater

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.

RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens like this scumbag.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.


17 posted on 08/13/2007 3:28:46 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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First, those who live on “wealth” as opposed to “earned income” want a large pool of low wage people from which they can hire and fire various sorts of servants. Illegals provide that. And then, watch some of the “Flip This House”-type shows on the cable stations and see how many of these short-sighted entrepreneurs are using illegals. They can’t read or write - in English or Spanish - but they sure can hang drywall!
Second, among the illegals a certain percentage of them are paying into Social Security, even though they are using fraudulent numbers. This props up a so-called “pay as you go” system allowing benefits to be paid to current recipients. Because of the 40+ million would-be contributors, which have been killed since Roe v. Wade, the Ponzi Scheme needs whoever it can find to pay in to simply stave off the collapse a bit longer. When the illegals demand their benefits in a few years, the collapse will be far uglier and far bloodier.
Third, the deaths of these three apparently decent and promising young people is a heartbreak and a disgrace in and of itself, but I’ve read that as many as 25 Americans die each and every day because of illegals. Various crimes of violence as well as drunken driving deaths. And, the so-called “intelligentsia” want us also to understand that having sex with 10-15 year old girls is just a “part of their culture”.
Our children and grandchildren will be forced to read the Spanish version of the Koran. Invaded and overrun without a shot being fired - well, not by the good guys anyway.


18 posted on 08/13/2007 3:29:58 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: samtheman
The other day, on the local news, a prosecutor looked into the cameras and said “don’t blame us, don’t blame me, don’t blame the mayor”.

Of course not! We should not blame those charged with the responsibility of enforcing our borders and keeping known criminals away from society.

Our federal, state and local governments have abdicated their responsibilities.

Illegals enter this country and get support from certain gov't elements.

Illegal drug users are ignored even though they cause a large portion of the accidents and crimes in this country.

Criminals are given laughable sentences and turned back out on the street time and time again.

Bridges and roads are ignored and allowed to congest or deteriorate.

Our skies are overcrowded waiting for a proven air traffic system.

Our tax code is incomprehensible to anyone.

Our election system is broken. Felons can vote. Undocumented humans can vote. Multiple voting is uncontrolled.

Our astronauts are drinking on the job while our space shuttle is environmentally sound, but prone to ice damage every time it is used.

Identification systems are non-existent. Driver's Licenses, Social Security Cards and Passports are easily forged.

Need I go on?

All this is the abdication of gov't responsibility fueled by a population more concerned with Paris Hilton.

19 posted on 08/13/2007 3:44:05 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: OCC
That might make sense if you actually convicted and sentenced them rather than TURNING THEM LOOSE!

You are correct, any illegal alien who is pending felony charges is by their very nature LIKELLY TO ABSCOND and should be held without bail. Once DHS has placed an immigration detainer on them, they are not only likely not to appear for their court date, they are guaranteed to be absent.

It is a real problem for DHS when they make bail, most of them have prior convictions that require mandatory removal. This catch 22 needs to be fixed quickly.

20 posted on 08/13/2007 4:01:30 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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