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Clinton's first lady records locked up
LA Times ^ | 8/13/07 | Nicholas

Posted on 08/14/2007 6:01:38 AM PDT by pabianice

Archivists say the former first lady's documents at her husband's presidential library won't be released until after the '08 vote.

LITTLE ROCK, ARK --

. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton cites her experience as a compelling reason voters should make her president, but nearly 2 million pages of documents covering her White House years are locked up in a building here, obscuring a large swath of her record as first lady.

Clinton's calendars, appointment logs and memos are stored at her husband's presidential library, in the custody of federal archivists who do not expect them to be released until after the 2008 presidential election.

A trove of records has been made public detailing the Clinton White House's attempts to remake the nation's healthcare system, following a request from Bill Clinton that those materials be released first. Hillary Clinton led the healthcare effort in 1993 and 1994.

But even in the healthcare documents, at least 1,000 pages involving her work has been censored by archives staff because they include confidential advice and must be kept secret under a federal law called the Presidential Records Act. Political consultants said that if Hillary Clinton's records were made public, rivals would mine them for scraps of information that might rattle her campaign.

"Those files -- that's the mother lode of opposition research," said Ray McNally, a Republican political consultant in Sacramento. "Opposition researchers would be very hungry to see what's there." Robert Shrum, senior political strategist in Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign, said: "In 2 million pieces of paper, would opposition researchers hope to find one where she wrote a memo saying, 'I wish I'd never gotten involved in healthcare?' Sure. That's what they'd love to find."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billingrecords; billydale; fbifiles; filegate; hillary; noeyecontact; roselawfirm; travelgate; x42
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1 posted on 08/14/2007 6:01:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
But even in the healthcare documents, at least 1,000 pages involving her work has been censored by archives staff because they include confidential advice and must be kept secret under a federal law called the Presidential Records Act. Political consultants said that if Hillary Clinton's records were made public, rivals would mine them for scraps of information that might rattle her campaign.

She's running on her record but the record must remain secret.

2 posted on 08/14/2007 6:06:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: pabianice

If that headline was only missing the word “records”, I’d be popping the champagne right about now.


3 posted on 08/14/2007 6:10:02 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG (Apparently my former party considers me an "ugly nativist".)
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To: pabianice

4 posted on 08/14/2007 6:10:05 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: pabianice

But, but, but, if the people actually see her true self, she will never be elected in 2008. She is a chameleon, everything to everyone. No core values, blows with the wind of the most recent polls.

Biggest phony ever!


5 posted on 08/14/2007 6:10:20 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically))
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To: pabianice
1,000 pages involving her work has been censored by archives staff because they include confidential advice and must be kept secret under a federal law called the Presidential Records Act.

"Must" be kept secret?

I smell flying monkeys.

6 posted on 08/14/2007 6:13:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: doug from upland

ping


7 posted on 08/14/2007 6:14:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I would even join you in a toast. And I don’t like champagne.


8 posted on 08/14/2007 6:15:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: pabianice

And these are the “Open Records” that survived shredding!!!!!!


9 posted on 08/14/2007 6:16:57 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: pabianice

“Clinton’s first lady records locked up”

In a sane world the records would be free and she would be locked up.


10 posted on 08/14/2007 6:17:13 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Excessive tolerance will be the death of Western civilization.)
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To: pabianice

no need for anything more.
plenty of facts about the clintons on line,and thank you miaT


11 posted on 08/14/2007 6:17:20 AM PDT by catroina54
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To: pabianice
"Clinton's calendars, appointment logs and memos are stored at her husband's presidential library, in the custody of federal archivists who do not expect them to be released until after the 2008 presidential election."

says it all right there, really. She and Obama really WOULD make good ticket. Paper ballots, paper candidates....

12 posted on 08/14/2007 6:18:49 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: pabianice

The solution to this is obvious—all Republican presidential candidates must call for her to release them. Her refusal to do so becomes the story, probably a more easily understood one than anything the papers might reveal.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 6:19:01 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: hunter112

Send in Sandy Berger!


14 posted on 08/14/2007 6:21:33 AM PDT by fungoking
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To: vietvet67
I laugh whenever I see a picture of the clinton library. I know it is supposed to represent the “bridge to the 21st century” but I see it as the “trailer house to no where”.
15 posted on 08/14/2007 6:22:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: vietvet67

Was it an accident that this library ended up looking very much like a trailer?


16 posted on 08/14/2007 6:22:45 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: pabianice

Thank you for selecting my as your heart surgeon. Of course, any past records of how well or poorly I performed on past operations will be kept secret until after I have sliced you open from collarbone to groin. That’s just how we do things. Sorry.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 6:23:29 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: pabianice

If there is such a thing as the Presidential Records Act, I think that due to the unique circumstances surrounding this election (a former first lady running for President), an exception to this act be made under the Freedom of Information Act and all documents made available to the public. The woman is running for the most powerful seat in the world - Any and all information on her past achievements and failures must be released so that Americans can make a well-informed decision in November ‘08.

......I won’t be holding my breath for that to happen though.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 6:24:07 AM PDT by peteram (Liberals are just Stupid!)
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To: pabianice
Presidential Records Act TITLE 44 > CHAPTER 22

§ 2201. Definitions

As used in this chapter

(1) The term “documentary material” means all books, correspondence, memorandums, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio, audiovisual, or other electronic or mechanical recordations.

(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably seg­regable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of his staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552 (e) [1] of title 5, United States Code);
(ii) personal records;
(iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or
(iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

(3) The term “personal records” means all documentary; materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,[2] of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the PresidentÂ’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

(4) The term “Archivist” means the Archivist of the United States.

(5) The term “former President”, when used with respect to Presidential records, means the former President during whose term or terms of office such Presidential rec­ords were created.

Well, at least in the definitions the records of the First Lady aren't mentioned.

19 posted on 08/14/2007 6:26:13 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: originalbuckeye
Which is why the (stupid) electorate will probably vote for her in droves come the ‘08 election. With the Clintons involved, this is a world gone mad. The election will come down to star power. Hillary! has it, none of the GOPers except Fred Thompson (who will be drawn and quartered by the media) do.
20 posted on 08/14/2007 6:26:48 AM PDT by chimera
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To: pabianice

Oops, Sandy should have worn bigger pants.


21 posted on 08/14/2007 6:27:08 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: pabianice

Be careful here - this is a very shrewd woman. It could well be that there is nothing there. Then, a continual call from her opposition for its release may look like a witch hunt, if you’ll pardon the term.

We win in the arena of ideas. Let’s not get sidetracked and make the major issue those records, or any other side scandal. Keep the issues at the forefront and we will win every time, including this one.


22 posted on 08/14/2007 6:28:06 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: FormerACLUmember
And these are the “Open Records” that survived shredding!!!!!!

Hmmm.

Can't imagine there'd be anything damaging to Her Hillaryness' image in them if they're intact.

This story could be a ploy by her campaign to arouse suspicion, hold off releasing the documents until just before the primaries but soon enough for the news to break that her record is clean - they might even use the word "exonerated" or a similar catchy catchword - BEFORE Herself is in any danger of losing said primaries.

They've used this tactic before, after all.

23 posted on 08/14/2007 6:31:46 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: BenLurkin
Do any of the “secret papers” contain information on where that ugly witch put all the stolen loot from the White House? The First Lady years are important because they show HClinton to be a tasteless, petty, trailer trash b@tch who ran out on the job halfway through the second term.

I am no historian, but was there ever a worse First Lady?
Now she wants to be POTUS? O HELL NO!

24 posted on 08/14/2007 6:31:52 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: JZelle; Ditter

All those contributions for the library and they couldn’t even make it a double wide...


25 posted on 08/14/2007 6:33:08 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

Is that thing really Clintons presidential library? It looks more like an eighteen wheeler livestock carrier flying off a bridge. Their legacy for everything honky tonk lives on.


26 posted on 08/14/2007 6:35:18 AM PDT by Maumee (wt)
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To: vietvet67

I swear it looks like a trailer up on pilings.
Goes along with the trailer trash duo from Arkansas.


27 posted on 08/14/2007 6:36:09 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: vietvet67

Are Republicans the only ones who see that connection? snicker* The first picture that I saw of the future library I thought it was a redneck joke. Then I discovered that they were serious!


28 posted on 08/14/2007 6:37:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Joe Boucher

Over at PsychoticUnderground.com Hillary is no favorite. Just how is she gonna be nominated?


29 posted on 08/14/2007 6:41:27 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

............... but nearly 2 million pages of documents covering her White House years are locked up in a building here,...............

There in a nutshell is the problem that’s drowning the USA!

She’s in our White House for 1900 days, and generates over one thousand documents a day. How can anything about a first lady be so important that 2 million pages of drivel are kept for posterity??? And who are we paying to write this crap??


30 posted on 08/14/2007 6:44:10 AM PDT by aShepard (Oh little Mohammad, Couchy, Couchy Coo; your momma is so proud, you'll be the cutest suicide bomber)
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"How can anything about a first lady be so important that 2 million pages of drivel are kept for posterity???"

HOW MANY TREES LAID DOWN THEIR LIVES SO THE CLINTONS COULD REWRITE HISTORY?!

THE CLINTONS LIED AND GOOD TREES DIED!!

31 posted on 08/14/2007 6:58:41 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: hunter112
BUMP! But which pub candidates have the cojones to do this?

Her campaign would immediately react by saying she is being unfairly attacked, she can do nothing about the law, etc.

That said, perhaps one of the “lower tier” candidates that will bow out eventually can give us a loud, strong protest as a parting gift.

32 posted on 08/14/2007 6:59:34 AM PDT by upchuck (Today there are 10,000 more illegal aliens in yer country than there were yesterday. 10,000! THINK!)
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To: pabianice
...in the custody of federal archivists...

It's good to have low friends in high places.

33 posted on 08/14/2007 6:59:36 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: upchuck
...she can do nothing about the law, etc.

Gee, where's a whistleblower when ya need one?

34 posted on 08/14/2007 7:00:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Maumee
"It looks more like an eighteen wheeler livestock carrier flying off a bridge"

It reminds me of one of those unpainted aluminum camper trailers.

35 posted on 08/14/2007 7:03:13 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: pabianice
OSAMA & THE GENIE

While trying to escape through Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden found a Bottle on a beach and picked it up.

Suddenly, a female genie rose from the bottle and with a smile said "Master, may I grant you one wish?"

"You ignorant, unworthy daughter-of-a-dog! Don't you know who I am? I don't need any common woman giving me anything" barked Bin Laden. The shocked genie said "Please, I must grant you a wish or I will be returned to that bottle forever."

Osama thought a moment, then grumbled about the impertinence of the woman and said "Very well, I want to awaken with three American women in my bed in the morning. So just do it and be off with you!"

The annoyed genie said, "So be it !" and disappeared.

The next morning Bin Laden woke up in bed with Lorena Bobbitt, Tonya Harding, and Hillary Clinton.

His penis was gone, his knees were broken, and he had no health insurance.

God is good

36 posted on 08/14/2007 7:04:50 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: Eccl 10:2

Bingo...remember the video of Goober that was said to show him having a melt down during his questioning about Paula Jones, after much hype nothing was there, a complete setup.


37 posted on 08/14/2007 7:05:11 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: upchuck
Her campaign would immediately react by saying she is being unfairly attacked, she can do nothing about the law, etc.

People who might be sympathetic to her politics still have some distrust of her, this would feed that. But you're right as far as political courage goes. I guess it would have to be a Republican who does not have part of his own records locked up somewhere...

38 posted on 08/14/2007 7:06:10 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Joe Boucher

And we all know what you get when you drag a $100 bill through a trailer park - The Clintons.


39 posted on 08/14/2007 7:12:39 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: AFreeBird

Hell, around Mrs. Clinton a fiver would do.


40 posted on 08/14/2007 7:14:43 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Maumee

Sure is. Even cost ya $7 to get in. Must cover the cost of fumigation.

http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/


41 posted on 08/14/2007 7:23:34 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: cake_crumb

I heard they were having Sandy Burglars pants and socks bronzed so they can be displayed right next to the cigarette and slurpy machine at the front entrance.


42 posted on 08/14/2007 7:28:18 AM PDT by Maumee (wt)
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To: peteram

She isn’t the only one- remember Dean and his locked archive of papers from his governorship of Vermont?
Remember Kerry and his military records?
All the Dems run on their record, the record that no one gets to see.


43 posted on 08/14/2007 7:31:03 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Ditter

“bridge to the 21st century” but I see it as the “trailer house to no where”

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a picture of it.

My reaction was to wonder why someone would try to make a treehouse out of a mobile home?


44 posted on 08/14/2007 7:32:03 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Eccl 10:2
Good post.

Although "witch hunt" is accurate.......

45 posted on 08/14/2007 7:35:07 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: pabianice
Archivists say the former first lady's documents at her husband's presidential library won't be released until after the '08 vote.

The most secretive first lady in history!

46 posted on 08/14/2007 7:35:20 AM PDT by Califelephant
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To: pabianice

Release the full Barrett report NOW!!!


47 posted on 08/14/2007 7:48:43 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: pabianice

so what is she hiding? what is she embarassed by? why do we want someone like that for president?


48 posted on 08/14/2007 7:48:58 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: Calpernia
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

Gotcha Hildabeast: Several Court Applications now on the way to unseal your files!

Dance while you can!

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

49 posted on 08/14/2007 7:51:55 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Candor7

Wonder where Hillary falls on the BMI chart. Since that is a lefty push.


50 posted on 08/14/2007 7:57:58 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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