And Circuses:
Posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:48 AM PDT by mustang buff
What a nasty thing to say about a Ferengi.
I'm not sure I see the connection, but I would like to point out that I didn't say NO moral absolutes should be forced on people. I said SOME shouldn't.
But if morality has to do not only with action but intention (the intention specifies the act", says Aquinas) and intention can't be forced - at least I think it can't - I might be able to compel some behaviors or the avoidance of some behaviors, but others would be beyond my power to compel. For instance, I could punish marital infidelity, but I don't see how I could compel husbands to love their wives.
Shouldn’t a real moral absolute be something inherent in every soul throughout history?
Well according to the account of the "God, The universe, and Everything" which I hold, they were inherent, but humans got broken, or broke themselves. They don't know themselves, they don't know what they want, much less what they ought to want, and even when they have a clue about what they want, they don;'t know how to get it.
It's not the absence of moral absolutes which makes for disagreements, it's the absence of self-knowledge. Other aspects of our personal disintegrity (?) have to do with how we don't or can't do what we think we should. But, in general, yeah, if there is such a thing as human nature, I think there is at least a logical inherentness to the best way to be human. But that doesn't mean we know all of it.
Again, it seems that very nearly every culture on earth teaches that you shouldn't just have sex with whoever whenever (or whatever!). This is so general an idea that the few cultures that don't think so are regarded as truly weird
But the notion that it "works" best when it's one guy and one chick and a lifelong commitment to reflect the relationship between Christ and His Church, that's not (or is no longer) inherent. That's got to be revealed.
And Circuses:
Yep - and that implies a culture and government intended to minimize the sense of personal autonomy and responsibility. That’ll kill us fer shur.
Personally, I don’t believe in moral absolutes for all. I just believe that men have been designed to strive for what they believe to be a moral absolute.
Anything wrong with that?
It's all designed to keep people from thinking. Notice how they pump music into shopping emporia - clutters your mind so you act more on feeling than thought.
Only if I lived where you are in charge.
But if there is no absolute morality, is it fair to say there is no justice? If it is, then are courts a matter of power only?
No, I think the idea of absolute morals, generally agreed upon by the people or those in charge, is what determines justice.
Are you saying something like:
There is no sort of independently existent "justice", what "justice" is (or what determines justice) is a sort of precipitate from the coming together of a large number of people with moral preferences the validity of which is indeterminate, indeterminable, or irrelevant? I say "precipitate" in an effort to avoid stating one way, like consensus or polling, that the justice thing, whatever it is, is determined.
Another way to ask my question is, When a kid says, "Hey, no fair!" is there anything meaningful which distinguishes that statement from "Hey, I don't like that!"
(Gotta go now, Stuff to do.)
That’s pretty much the way I see it.
OK, thanks for the clarification.
My answer is yes, it does matter whether or not we turn our back on God or not. And you are correct, whatever you or I do or the US does is part of God's plan.
Knowing God has a plan for all of us doesn't mean we can just sit back and relax.
I think instead of just sitting back and relaxing, (unless, of course, that is what God has planned for you), we just continue on doing what we think we should.
More like, "we need to continue on doing what God wills."
Which, since He has a plan for each of us, we can’t help but do.
Not true. We have freewill to choose His way or not.
I think he actually does bring up some decent points, but the laughable assertion that our health care system is “underfunded” makes it difficult to take anything he says seriously.
That’s just one of the things where our beliefs differ.
Agreed.
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