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Learn from the fall of Rome, US warned
The Financial Times ^
| August 14 2007
| Jeremy Grant
Posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:48 AM PDT by mustang buff
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To: Knitebane
“’Roman matrons used to say to their sons: Come back with your shield, or on it. Later on, this custom declined. So did Rome.’
Robert A. Heinlein”
I thought that was the Spartans.
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:28:15 AM PDT
by
TKDietz
To: mustang buff
It’s not just the debt to China, it’s all of this sub-prime bad credit, consumer credit and our nations own debt. When it all falls down, when the economic wheels fall off, who is the world going to blame? Who will they vent their anger at? It will be the US citizen, that’s who, not the democrats.
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:40:00 AM PDT
by
TruthConquers
(Delendae sunt publici scholae)
To: stuartcr
Please explain your question in more detail.
63
posted on
08/14/2007 11:40:55 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
To: TKDietz
Interestingly enough, Christians were persecuted in Rome until a little after 300 A.D. and within less than a hundred years after adopting Christianity the empire split. The last emperor of the Western half of the empire was gone within 200 years of Romes conversion to Christianity. The Roman Republic enjoyed its greatest wealth and power long before Christianity even existed. Im not at all arguing that Christianity brought down Rome. Rome had already gone way downhill by 300 A.D. It just ought to be noted that Romes greatest period was prior to the advent of Christianity. Read "City of God" by St. Augustine of Hippo. He refutes the same thought some had in the 4th Century.
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:42:43 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
To: Shuck04
Have some optimism. The world has been trying to destroy our great experiment since its inception. Won’t happen. It’s been more dire than this in our past.
Sometimes it takes great upheaval to effect profound change. That day is coming.
We fought a civil war, two world wars. We suffered defeats against communism, but won. Eastern Europe is emergent because of us and they know it.
We’ll get through this. The children of Reagan are only now coming into power. Think about that...
To: durasell
What about things like running around nearly naked, ritualized/religious sexual practices, and tribal tattoos?Activities like you state and the ones I stated earlier would have to be judged on their meaning, context and thought through on an individual basis before making any kind of fair moral/immoral pronouncement.
66
posted on
08/14/2007 11:48:45 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
To: frogjerk
This author is an idiot - according to him, our country will fall, and Rome fell, because of too little socialism (ie, too much individual freedom & responsibility).
No, civilizations fall when the people or rulers become so immoral that society is no longer sustainable.
67
posted on
08/14/2007 11:50:05 AM PDT
by
MrB
(You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
To: frogjerk
The key word being “context.” But that gets tricky in a world that isn’t neatly partitioned off and folks can freely communicate and fly around the globe.
68
posted on
08/14/2007 11:52:03 AM PDT
by
durasell
(!)
To: frogjerk
You mean Kiwi’s with tribal tattoos are gonna come here and beat us in rugby? What about me mooning a basketball game when I was in HS?
To: mustang buff
We’re doomed. No doubt about it. The Living Dead picking through the dumpsters at the Trash Transfer Station were impressive enough that I decided for its safety to not leave my trash this time.
70
posted on
08/14/2007 11:56:07 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
To: OB1kNOb
We are more like Britain making the same mistakes in the 19th C, and throw in some Spainish plutocrats and the scratch-my-back role of government Spain used to create their empire and you may have it.
But Rome?
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:57:54 AM PDT
by
OpusatFR
To: massgopguy
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:58:24 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: frogjerk
Please see your #12, my #16, your #21,22, my #49, then #56 & 63
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posted on
08/14/2007 11:59:07 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: mustang buff
Learn from it? Hell, we caused it!
To: Larry Lucido
To: All
Communities, countries, empires and civilizations fail when they become more dependent than they are productive.
76
posted on
08/14/2007 12:30:59 PM PDT
by
Realism
(Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
To: frogjerk
Which thought is it exactly that he refutes?
77
posted on
08/14/2007 12:57:59 PM PDT
by
TKDietz
To: TKDietz
Interestingly enough, Christians were persecuted in Rome until a little after 300 A.D. and within less than a hundred years after adopting Christianity the empire split. The last emperor of the Western half of the empire was gone within 200 years of Romes conversion to Christianity.Basically, the supposed cause and effect there; not saying that you are advocating that view.
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posted on
08/14/2007 2:58:59 PM PDT
by
frogjerk
(If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
To: stuartcr
Doesnt God already know if we are going to do that?This one? If so, what's your point?
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posted on
08/14/2007 3:00:40 PM PDT
by
frogjerk
(If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
To: mustang buff
Rome took so long to fall that one can blame a lot of things for the collapse. A country becomes an empire, its people become dependent on the bounties of world rule, and then eventually the empire stumbles on something.
Was the fall avoidable or was an unavoidable result of the rise to empire? For that matter, was the rise to empire inevitable? And would society have collapsed in one way or another even if it didn't swell up to imperial size? Is collapse, like death, part of the big picture, always around the corner, avoided today, succumbed to tomorrow?
The Comptroller General is the head of the General Accounting Office. He or she is appointed for 15 years and is supposed to be non-partisan. Walker is the seventh Comptroller General since the position was created in 1921.
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08/14/2007 3:18:32 PM PDT
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