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Learn from the fall of Rome, US warned
The Financial Times ^ | August 14 2007 | Jeremy Grant

Posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:48 AM PDT by mustang buff

The US government is on a ‘burning platform’ of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country’s top government inspector has warned. David Walker, comptroller general of the US, issued the unusually downbeat assessment of his country’s future in a report that lays out what he called “chilling long-term simulations”. These include “dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services and the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US debt.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arewerome; romanempire; rome; searchrome; thirdposting
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1 posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:54 AM PDT by mustang buff
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2 posted on 08/14/2007 9:26:07 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: mustang buff
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears! Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
3 posted on 08/14/2007 9:26:25 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: mustang buff

***chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon***

- Health care is not a government responsibility in the United States

- Citizens will invoke the Riot Act

- We spent far more of our GDP for WWII than we are for the Iraq War


4 posted on 08/14/2007 9:27:13 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: rfp1234
Lend me your earmarks!Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
5 posted on 08/14/2007 9:28:01 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: mustang buff

this guy has been hanging out with his college friends to much


6 posted on 08/14/2007 9:29:51 AM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: mustang buff

Never happen to us. America is immune from history. We’re special.


7 posted on 08/14/2007 9:30:43 AM PDT by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: rfp1234

lolz


8 posted on 08/14/2007 9:30:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mustang buff

” ‘burning platform’ of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments “

and frickin frackings... and over use of adjectives..


9 posted on 08/14/2007 9:32:26 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: rfp1234

Barack Ferengi Obama? Separated at birth?

10 posted on 08/14/2007 9:33:16 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: OB1kNOb

We aren’t even close to the Roman Empire.

I haven’t seen crucified insurgents lining the road from Mosul to Baghdad, nor have I seen tribute being paid by all the countries we have bases in to protect the entire West.


11 posted on 08/14/2007 9:33:19 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: mustang buff

If the USA falls, and that is a BIG IF, it will be because we turned our backs on God.


12 posted on 08/14/2007 9:34:04 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: OB1kNOb

see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880813/posts


13 posted on 08/14/2007 9:34:06 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: mustang buff
Mr Walker’s views carry weight because he is a non-partisan figure

No such thing in Washington

Mr Walker, who was appointed during the Clinton administration to the post,

Naturally

Billions of dollars will be needed to modernise everything

Mr Walker said he would offer to brief the would-be presidential candidates next spring.

He's basically lobbing the ball to the 'Rat candidates to call for "deficit reduction" (higher tax rates).

14 posted on 08/14/2007 9:34:08 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: wastedyears

I suspect we soon will reach a “tipping point” as regards responsibility for medical care and treatment. The socialist model is making deep inroads, thanks is substantial part to Republican acquiescence. Its “for the children,” don’t ya know?!


15 posted on 08/14/2007 9:35:44 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: frogjerk

Doesn’t God already know if we are going to do that?


16 posted on 08/14/2007 9:36:24 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: mustang buff

Too many words, and some of them are really long.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 9:36:53 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: xcamel

Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:04 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Elsiejay
Yes, we must have feeeeeeeeeeelings.
19 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:11 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: frogjerk

The fall of every great civilization was preceded by a Sexual Revolution.


20 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: stuartcr

Yep.


21 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:42 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: stuartcr

Yep. But I don’t.


22 posted on 08/14/2007 9:39:10 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: massgopguy
The fall of every great civilization was preceded by a "Sexual Revolution".

There, I fixed it for you.

23 posted on 08/14/2007 9:40:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: mustang buff

Ha! Rome lasted a thousand years (more like 1,300). Anyway Rome couldn’t destroy the world if they wanted. America doesn’t need to be afraid, the rest of the barbarians do. If the barbarians are at the gate, they lose, not us...The third world (the US being first and second), never thinks about this...


24 posted on 08/14/2007 9:41:27 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY
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To: mustang buff
"Learn from the fall of Rome, US warned"

Yeah, the fall sucked but the summer really grooved...

;-)

25 posted on 08/14/2007 9:43:41 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: mustang buff

search is your friend


26 posted on 08/14/2007 9:44:02 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: mustang buff

27 posted on 08/14/2007 9:44:55 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: mustang buff
He may be right, but not for the reasons he outlines.

"Roman matrons used to say to their sons: ‘Come back with your shield, or on it.’ Later on, this custom declined. So did Rome."

— Robert A. Heinlein

28 posted on 08/14/2007 9:45:59 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: mustang buff
in a report that lays out what he called “chilling long-term simulations”. These include “dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services and the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US debt.

Well here are some possible solutions Mr. Controller General.

1. CUT taxes to generate MORE revenue for "the government."

2. By all means, SLASH GOV. SERVICES! There are too many anyway.

3. Force those countries that owe billions to the U.S. TAXPAYERS to pay those countries that are owed by the U.S. Government.

Problem solved. It isn't that hard if you try, you stooge.

29 posted on 08/14/2007 9:46:18 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: mustang buff

Thanks for posting this. (Sad to see that many of the responses on the thread remind me of the famous monkey covering his eyes, ears, and mouth. Willful ignorance.)


30 posted on 08/14/2007 9:46:47 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: OpusatFR
We aren’t even close to the Roman Empire. I haven’t seen crucified insurgents lining the road from Mosul to Baghdad, nor have I seen tribute being paid by all the countries we have bases in to protect the entire West.

We don't wear togas either but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other parallels to be compared. Morally and spiritually to mention one. Every major world power has fallen in history, either from it's own weakness, corruption, or some combination of both. Why would America be the exception?

Don't get me wrong - I certainly want our country to avoid the same fate - I just see us making plenty of the same mistakes other nation powers have made throughout history. If we don't correct them soon, we may find ourselves as a nation facing the same consequences.

31 posted on 08/14/2007 9:46:49 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: mustang buff
He may be a good accountant, but he's a lousy historian.

He's a deficit hawk who is worried about the bills that will come due when the Boomers retire and draw on Social Security and Medicare. That wasn't Rome's problem.

It's a legitimate concern, but given what happened to President Bush's modest proposal to start paying down some of those liabilities now, instead of waiting and relying entirely on the present pay as you go system, the country isn't going to do anything about it until the problem is upon us.

32 posted on 08/14/2007 9:50:52 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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America is not an empire. There is no comparison. The “powers” that fell were all empires, Persian, Soviet, Rome, Britain, Mongol, etc...explain the similarities...


33 posted on 08/14/2007 9:52:41 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY
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To: vietvet67

Must be very cold standing next to Hillary!


34 posted on 08/14/2007 9:54:20 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: mustang buff

So is this when we thank the “greatest generation” for having government expand beyond its means and passing it’s all about me on to their grandchildren?


35 posted on 08/14/2007 9:55:42 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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“declining moral values”

This is the killer. Once you’ve lost your way morally, there is no hope for everything else. Is it too late? It seems increasingly, there is a decreasing “moral minority.” Look at the choices we have for our next leader.

36 posted on 08/14/2007 9:56:21 AM PDT by CarryingOn (Spread the message every day, like your life depended on it.)
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Once you’ve lost your way morally, there is no hope for everything else.


Why? And aren’t morals dependent on culture?


37 posted on 08/14/2007 9:58:05 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: mustang buff

We need to avoid plagues?


38 posted on 08/14/2007 9:58:14 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: HYPOCRACY

To clarify, I did not call America an empire, I called it a “major world power”, albeit one with its fingers in practically every major issue going on in the world. True, technically we aren’t an empire, but our global influence throughout the world surpasses anything experienced by any “empire” that has occurred in history, IMO.


39 posted on 08/14/2007 10:02:34 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: brownsfan

lol


40 posted on 08/14/2007 10:05:02 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: HYPOCRACY

Ha! Rome lasted a thousand years (more like 1,300).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How long did it last as a REPUBLIC? The days of the United States as a free republic are already over.


41 posted on 08/14/2007 10:07:07 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: HYPOCRACY

If the barbarians are at the gate, they lose, not us...The third world (the US being first and second), never thinks about this...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is the Marxists in our government K-12 schools and colleges and universities who will kill this nation.

Our children are being preached Marxism day in and day out. Eventually they will grow up to be voters.

I


42 posted on 08/14/2007 10:15:03 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: rfp1234

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny raght thar.


43 posted on 08/14/2007 10:15:57 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: durasell
And aren’t morals dependent on culture?

No. BTW, morals are usually opposed to what the current culture deems acceptable..

44 posted on 08/14/2007 10:27:34 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: rfp1234
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!

MOUSE: "Hold on one minute!"

45 posted on 08/14/2007 10:30:47 AM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: frogjerk

No. BTW, morals are usually opposed to what the current culture deems acceptable..


So all those folks in foreign lands with different customs are doing the whole “morals thing” wrong?


48 posted on 08/14/2007 10:41:46 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: frogjerk

Does that matter?


49 posted on 08/14/2007 10:42:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: mustang buff

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lucius_Equitius_Cincinnatus_Augur_%28Nova_Roma%29


50 posted on 08/14/2007 10:44:16 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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