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Gun control back as national issue
Star-Telegram ^ | Aug. 12, 2007 | ANNA M. TINSLEY

Posted on 08/15/2007 11:29:17 AM PDT by neverdem

FORT WORTH -- Don Burrows needed some cash for a recent scuba diving trip.

So the East Texan drove to Fort Worth, taped a "For Sale" sign to his back and walked around a gun show, hoping to sell extra ammunition he had stockpiled.

"I needed some extra beer money," he said with a grin.

There, he was among gun aficionados privately peddling guns and ammo, saying it's a good way to cash in on belongings they want to unload.

But in the wake of the Virginia Tech killings and other gun violence this year, critics are calling for more regulations on everything from gun shows to background checks.

The battle over gun control is back, and it's reaching into city halls, state legislatures and the halls of Congress. Presidential candidates are talking about it, Jesse Jackson is talking about it, and Congress is on track to possibly pass the first federal gun control legislation since 1994.

Part of the push is for tougher restrictions on gun shows, which have been popular in North Texas for decades. Gun advocates like Burrows believe that's misguided.

"These are law-abiding citizens here," Burrows, marketing director for a nonprofit in Tyler, said at a recent High Caliber Gun and Knife Show at the Will Rogers Memorial Center.

"If there are undesirables, most people won't sell to them. Criminals will always get guns" and don't care about gun control laws, he said.

Rising concerns

Each year, countless guns change hands at thousands of gun shows nationwide.

A recent study of gun shows cites a continuing problem of illegal transactions, including gun sales by unlicensed dealers and "straw purchases," in which people with no criminal or mental-illness history buy guns for people with records. The recent study by Garen Wintemute, director of the violence-prevention research program at the University of California, Davis, contends that police presence at the shows is too small to discourage illegal activity.

In 2005 and 2006, Wintemute attended 28 gun shows in Texas (in Dallas and Houston), Nevada, Florida, Arizona and California -- areas where he said guns are acquired and later used in crimes in California. Afterward, he urged lawmakers nationwide to put more restrictions on gun shows.

"I would like to see a policy change that makes direct private-party transfers of guns illegal," Wintemute said. "And I'd like much more vigorous law enforcement presence at gun shows. I noticed the illegal stuff was conducted right out in the open.

"Bad guys had no concern they might be caught."

Local controls

While Congress and state legislatures debate the issue, officials in communities such as Colleyville and Arlington say gun control isn't on city council agendas right now.

The most recent major debate was in Fort Worth in 2000, when city leaders considered putting more restrictions on gun shows held at city facilities. Fort Worth officials talked for months about proposals to encourage federal lawmakers to require background checks at gun shows or even restrict the leasing of city facilities for gun shows so that only licensed dealers could sell firearms.

For now, that debate is unlikely to be revived, some say.

"We have plenty on our plate ... to keep us busy," Mayor Mike Moncrief said.

In fiscal 2005-06, the city picked up more than $122,000 in revenue from 11 gun shows at the Will Rogers Memorial Center and one at the Fort Worth Convention Center, city records show.

Proposed laws

Proposed changes to federal firearms laws are on the table in Congress, where gun control advocates have failed to toughen regulations since 1994.

One measure calls for strengthening the national background check system. It also includes spending $400 million a year for five years to help states automate lists of people barred from buying guns, including the mentally ill and convicted criminals, and report those lists to the FBI. That is part of the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act, prompted largely by school shootings.

A Senate committee approved the plan this month. Officials said they hope to prevent another tragedy like the Virginia Tech shootings in April, when Seung Hui Cho killed 32 people before shooting himself. A similar House version approved this summer set aside $250 million to help states with the background check system.

Several groups, including the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, the Violence Policy Center and the Legal Community Against Violence, say they support the overall goal but see problems in the Senate bill.

That version, they say, may create loopholes that could rearm drug dealers and sex offenders and make veterans who had been prohibited from owning guns because of mental-health issues eligible to have them again.

"The bill's original intent ... is an important objective that would improve enforcement of federal laws governing persons prohibited from possessing firearms," said Robyn Thomas, executive director of the Legal Community Against Violence. "The amendments ... risk undermining those laws."

Also pending in Congress is a "Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2007," geared to require criminal-background checks for all firearm transactions at events where guns change hands.

This has drawn criticism from groups such as the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, which said the measure "masquerades as reform -- imposing bureaucratic restrictions aimed at shutting down gun shows -- without fixing real problems." The NRA, however, has supported some of the proposed federal changes.

Political platforms

Jesse Jackson is going to trial in November on a charge of criminal trespassing after he refused to move from a gun-shop entrance in Illinois. He stood there this summer in support of stronger gun laws.

"No jail cell can break our spirits," Jackson told a church congregation. "We have never lost a battle we fought; we have never won a battle we didn't fight. So we must fight now to plan our children's futures, not their funerals."

Jackson has also declared Aug. 28 -- the 44th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech at the March on Washington -- a national day of protest for tougher gun laws.

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms has likewise called for a day of action, in support of what its members consider their Second Amendment rights to own firearms.

Meanwhile, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama is criticizing the Bush administration for not banning assault rifles after nearly three dozen children were killed with them in Chicago during the past year.

"Our playgrounds have become battlefields," the Illinois senator has said. "Our streets have become cemeteries.

"I'm sick and tired of seeing our young people gunned down."

Supporters of another presidential hopeful -- Ron Paul -- showed up at the recent gun show in Fort Worth, handing out fliers stating that the Surfside Republican believes in the constitutional right to bear arms.

To spread the candidate's message, they also carried signs, including one that said "Ron Paul Thinks Your Guns Are None Of His Business."

Local shows

At the show in Fort Worth, crowds perused everything from guns and knives to Western wear and flashlights.

A line grew at the entrance as police unloaded and secured guns and rifles being taken in for possible sale.

Inside, people milled around, looking at Tasers, gun safes, sunglasses, hunting knives, belt buckles -- and guns.

Among them was Don Wright, an X-ray technician from Waco.

He was trying to sell an extra Colt .45, but he said he enjoys gun shows so much that he now does his grocery shopping on Fridays so he can travel around to shows on the weekend.

And he's not worried about security or illegal gun sales.

"If somebody really wants a gun, they can get one," the 52-year-old said as he watched police officers walking around the show. "When people go around shooting people, it's not because of the gun. It's because of the psycho holding the gun.

"More restrictions are not needed. People will go around getting [guns] anyway."

Staff writers Susan Schrock and Bill Teeter contributed to this report.

Gun laws

New gun restrictions proposed in other parts of the country include:

Illinois: The governor called a special session for lawmakers to work on a gun control bill geared to prevent a "large-capacity ammunition-feeding device" from being made or sold in the state.

Philadelphia: Lawmakers recently approved a gun control bill compelling police to trace illegal firearms confiscated from people under 21 and report the guns to a registry.

San Francisco: Leaders created city ordinances banning possession of firearms or ammunition on county property, following the lead of Los Angeles County. They also required privately owned handguns to be stored in a locked container or with a trigger lock.

Ventura County, Calif.: A new rule in several communities requires owners to report the loss or theft of their guns within 72 hours or face misdemeanor charges.

Martin Luther King and guns: a history lesson

Both sides in America's long-running dispute over gun control have declared a national day of protest on Aug. 28, the 44th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech at the historic civil rights march on Washington.

Gun control advocates plan marches in at least 25 cities, including Dallas, to demand tougher restrictions on firearms purchases and possession. Gun rights advocates are scheduling counterdemonstrations and urging their backers to buy weapons and ammunition and visit gun ranges that day.

Both sides are using King's legacy to bolster their arguments.

Jesse Jackson, the chief organizer of the demonstrations for stronger controls, points to King's crusades for nonviolence in rallying support. "We have the right to live safe and secure, no matter where we live in America," said Jackson, who was with King when he was assassinated in 1968.

Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said: "The great hypocrisy here is that Dr. King's historic march was to promote and defend civil rights. What Jesse Jackson is planning is designed to crush America's most important civil right -- a right that Dr. King exercised by owning a handgun."

Did King own a gun?

Yes. In his writings and in interviews, King, the object of many death threats, acknowledged once owning a gun in Montgomery, Ala., and seeking a license to carry in a gun in his car. In The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr., he wrote that the issue of armed protection arose after a bombing at his home. He ultimately rejected armed defense, however, because he decided that it was inconsistent with his message.

The explanation in King's words

"After the bombings, many of the officers of my church and other trusted friends urged me to hire a bodyguard and armed watchmen for my house. When my father came to town, he concurred with both of these suggestions. I tried to tell them that I had no fears now and consequently needed no weapons for protection. This they would not hear. They insisted that I protect the house and family, even if I didn't want to protect myself. In order to satisfy the wishes of these close friends and associates, I decided to consider the question of an armed guard. I went down to the sheriff's office and applied for a license to carry a gun in the car; but this was refused.

"Meanwhile I reconsidered. How could I serve as one of the leaders of a nonviolent movement and at the same time use weapons of violence for my personal protection? Coretta and I talked the matter over for several days and finally agreed that arms were no solution. We decided then to get rid of the one weapon we owned. We tried to satisfy our friends by having floodlights mounted around the house, and hiring unarmed watchmen around the clock. I also promised that I would not travel around the city alone.

"I was much more afraid in Montgomery when I had a gun in my house. When I decided that I couldn't keep a gun, I came face-to-face with the question of death and I dealt with it. From that point on, I no longer needed a gun nor have I been afraid. Had we become distracted by the question of my safety we would have lost the moral offensive and sunk to the level of our oppressors."

-- From The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr.


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1 posted on 08/15/2007 11:29:18 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The recent study by Garen Wintemute, director of the violence-prevention research program at the University of California, Davis, contends that police presence at the shows is too small to discourage illegal activity

Nothing like an unbiased source...

2 posted on 08/15/2007 11:32:05 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Also pending in Congress is a "Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2007," geared to require criminal-background checks for all firearm transactions at events where guns change hands.

Already the law there, champ.

3 posted on 08/15/2007 11:33:17 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
From that point on, I no longer needed a gun nor have I been afraid

Get back to me when a bad guy breaks down your door at 3am

4 posted on 08/15/2007 11:35:50 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem

Compacted Bullshit.


5 posted on 08/15/2007 11:38:07 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem

At this point I don’t think either party wants this settled. It makes such a handy campaign issue that they just can’t bear the thought of not being able to use it any more.


6 posted on 08/15/2007 11:41:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: neverdem

San Francisco “They also required privately owned handguns to be stored in a locked container or with a trigger lock.”

I guess threatening an intruder with AIDS tainted blood will work too, since there is more of that than handguns I bet.


7 posted on 08/15/2007 11:42:03 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: neverdem

WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


8 posted on 08/15/2007 11:43:53 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Puppage

Yup... Wintemute’s about as unbiased on guns as Algore is on hybrid cars.


9 posted on 08/15/2007 11:47:09 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: neverdem
Alternate headline:

Desperate Libs Beat Anti-Gun Drum

10 posted on 08/15/2007 11:49:29 AM PDT by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: neverdem
Gun control back as national issue

Gosh, I hope so.

I'd *love* to see the Democrats lose dozens of races and the Presidency in 2008.

11 posted on 08/15/2007 11:50:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: neverdem
As far as I'm concerned, the best way to increase gun-control in the US is to construct Federally mandated shooting ranges for every city.

As we all know, good gun-control results in tight groupings.

12 posted on 08/15/2007 11:52:47 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Puppage
He also alleges that illegal activity took place, but won't or more likely can't prove it and won't even point fingers at anyone in particular because that would open him to a lawsuit.

Some of the things he has described as straw purchases aren't necessarily straw purchases either.

He claims these crimes are rampant despite the fact that a large amount of law enforcement officers attend these shows out of uniform on their own time.

He is in effect accusing many, many law enforcement officers of turning a blind eye to this.

He offers no proof, and even the examples he provides could be perfectly legal activity.

If the media were honest and competent, he would be ignored due to lack of credibility. However, the media is neither honest or competent when dealing with the issue of guns and gun laws.

13 posted on 08/15/2007 11:54:24 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: neverdem

I hope Democrats are dumb enough to ‘go there’ again in 2008.


14 posted on 08/15/2007 11:55:25 AM PDT by Badeye (Gawd, I hope Badeye sees this! (Ping, and I always will))
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To: cripplecreek
At this point I don’t think either party wants this settled. It makes such a handy campaign issue that they just can’t bear the thought of not being able to use it any more.

Actually, I think the Democrats just wish the whole issue would go away.

They've learned too many times that they don't win elections supporting gun control. They lose them.

There are many people out there who might agree with the Democratic candidate on every other issue but will cast their vote for the candidate who supports the rights of gun owners --often at the Democrats' loss. Hence, all the pro-gun Dems who won congressional races last year.

This issue is a loser for Democrats..

15 posted on 08/15/2007 11:56:44 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Puppage
Already the law there, champ.

Not really. I bought an almost new Springfield Armory XD 9 at a show and when I asked about waiting time, required paper work, receipt, bill of sale, the seller told me that since he wasn't a business, but a private citizen who rented table space at a gun show, none of this was necessary and I walked out the door with my new purchase. On the way out, carrying my new purchase in it's plastic case, people in several booths asked me whay I had to sell or trade.

I was very surprised that it was so easy as I was under the impression there was more to it.

16 posted on 08/15/2007 11:57:27 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: neverdem
Shall not be infringed.
17 posted on 08/15/2007 11:58:24 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: neverdem

—bflr—


18 posted on 08/15/2007 11:58:32 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Puppage

whay = what


19 posted on 08/15/2007 12:00:04 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: neverdem
The recent study by Garen Wintemute, director of the violence-prevention research program at the University of California, Davis, contends that police presence at the shows is too small to discourage illegal activity. .... "I would like to see a policy change that makes direct private-party transfers of guns illegal," Wintemute said.

And since cars kill many times more people than guns each year I'm sure Mr. Wintemute would also like to see a policy change thatn makes direct private-party transfers of cars illegal too, right?

20 posted on 08/15/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: neverdem

Lefties will continue to try to point out “loopholes” as long as private citizens own firearms. Same story, different day.


21 posted on 08/15/2007 12:02:47 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Cuttnhorse
Not really. I bought an almost new Springfield Armory XD 9 at a show and when I asked about waiting time, required paper work, receipt, bill of sale, the seller told me that since he wasn't a business, but a private citizen who rented table space at a gun show

So he broke the law. Doesn't mean that there ISN'T a law.

22 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:23 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem
Gun control back as national issue

Already? Well I was wondering what it would take to dislodge the Dems from power; gun control it is.

23 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:29 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week." - Romney on B. Hussein Obama)
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To: cripplecreek; All
At this point I don’t think either party wants this settled. It makes such a handy campaign issue that they just can’t bear the thought of not being able to use it any more.

IMHO, I disagree. The neoCOMs took the issue off the table by running many RKBA candidates in 2006. They took back control of Congress. Now they can't be anything but themselves, a collection of multicultural special interests, in denial of how they won in 2006. IMHO, they're walking into an ambush of their own making. Since 1994, this has been a loosing issue for the neoCOMs.

24 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Cuttnhorse

If you buy from a private individual why would there be more to it?

No different than going to one of the many firearm related websites that offer a “For Sale” section, finding a gun you want and then go meet that person to seal the deal.

By the way, if you are a felon it is STILL illegal for you to buy a gun in a private sale.

The proposed law wants to stop ALL private sales at gun shows. Which would only be a precursor to stopping ALL private sales, period.


25 posted on 08/15/2007 12:05:17 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: neverdem
Did King own a gun?

Yes. In his writings and in interviews, King, the object of many death threats, acknowledged once owning a gun in Montgomery, Ala., and seeking a license to carry in a gun in his car. In The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr., he wrote that the issue of armed protection arose after a bombing at his home. He ultimately rejected armed defense, however, because he decided that it was inconsistent with his message.

It was his right to decide he didn't want or need a gun to protect himself. I wonder, though, if he would have agreed with Jesse Jackson that citizens should be deprived of the right to make that choice for themselves. The fact that King chose to get rid of his gun does not in any way support the idea that other citizens should be forced to live by that choice themselves.

26 posted on 08/15/2007 12:06:46 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: hophead
San Francisco “They also required privately owned handguns to be stored in a locked container or with a trigger lock.”

That's where I put mine when I'm not using it to protect my home from intruders.

It's really a stupid issue. Obviously if I use my gun to blow away some drug crazed invader, the gun was in my care and control, so this "law" wouldn't be of much use against a gun owner.

The only time it could be used is if little Johnny brings his friends home after school while daddy is at work and finds daddy's loaded gun in the drawer and start playing with it.

Obviously, I'm not completely against "care and control" issues. The reason is because these type of "accidents" give gun grabbers the issues they need to raise valid concerns, which are then used as vehicles to add additional "pork" on. Rather than it be a a legislated law, however, it should be every gun owners common sense practice to store their guns not in immediate use safely.

27 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: neverdem
Congress is on track to possibly pass the first federal gun control legislation since 1994.

Recall the excessively vehement gun control talk coming from the Left in 1994 as they anticipated their overwhelming victory in national elections, and the subsequent Right victory attributed to Newt but really due to gun grabbers.

28 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: wastedyears

“Shall not be infringed.”

EXACTLY! The “right to bear arms” is NOT a right granted by the constitution. It is NOT a right granted by any government.
It IS a GOD given right we are born with and Article 2 in the bill of rights ONLY CONFIRMS the inherent right to “bear arms”.


29 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:42 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Cuttnhorse
Your experience isn't consistent across all states. When an FFL sets up a table at a show, they must do the 4473 paperwork on any firearms in their inventory. In many states, a "private" sale still has to be mediated by an FFL including background checks. In other states, a private sale can be conducted as you did it with a private, non-FFL seller.

While I like the freedom of the completely private sale, you do have a little "caveat emptor" issue. You don't know for certain whether the seller is the legal owner of the firearm or fencing stolen property. You also don't know if that firearm has been used in the commission of a crime prior to your purchase. Absent any paperwork to prove the date on which you became the owner, you might well become a suspect in possession of a firearm used in a criminal act.

30 posted on 08/15/2007 12:09:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Nathan Zachary
I keep all of my firearms locked up. Principally because my youngest son often invites "friends" into my home that I wouldn't trust in possession of a firearm. The ones loaded for personal defense are in 5 button, quick access boxes. That's enough to keep them from being stolen or handled by unauthorized visitors, but accessible enough to serve their intended purpose.
31 posted on 08/15/2007 12:12:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Puppage
The recent study by Garen Wintemute, director of the violence-prevention research program at the University of California, Davis, contends that police presence at the shows is too small to discourage illegal activity

Yeah, but the numbnut left out all the vendors and customers who are packing. As if the cops are the potential perpetrator's biggest worry at a gunshow!

32 posted on 08/15/2007 12:12:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem
Democrats don't get it. If they mess with OUR Second Amendment rights, they WILL pay a price.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

33 posted on 08/15/2007 12:15:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

“Congress is on track to possibly pass the first federal gun control legislation since 1994.”

Whenever the Republicans get into trouble, the Democrats always come along to bail them out.


34 posted on 08/15/2007 12:18:29 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Puppage
Depends on where you are. In North Dakota there is no requirement for background checks in the private sale of a firearm, nor any requirement that such transactions be routed through a dealer. Cash and carry, whether at a gun show or not.

FFL holders are subject of Federal Law.

In North Dakota and other states as well, the display of your CWP avoids waiting periods as well.

35 posted on 08/15/2007 12:19:10 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Puppage
So he broke the law. Doesn't mean that there ISN'T a law.

Nope...he didn't break the law...not in this state.

36 posted on 08/15/2007 12:21:54 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Smokin' Joe
North Dakota and other states as well, the display of your CWP avoids waiting periods as well

Same in CT.

37 posted on 08/15/2007 12:27:26 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem
"Jackson has also declared Aug. 28 -- the 44th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech at the March on Washington -- a national day of protest for tougher gun laws."

Great!
I'll wear my CELEBRATE DIVERSITY shirt that day!

38 posted on 08/15/2007 12:29:09 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: woollyone
...and maybe I'll meet someone else wearing theirs too!...

don't let my GF know I posted this!
39 posted on 08/15/2007 12:31:19 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: Myrddin
Absent any paperwork to prove the date on which you became the owner, you might well become a suspect in possession of a firearm used in a criminal act.

I suppose that's a chance one takes in this kind of transaction, although the same could be said about purchasing a firearm from any private citizen. This guy had about 30-rifles and hand guns on his table and went into a long description of this particular XD and how he had upgraded it to trinitron night sights, (which I really like). I guess I made the decision he was legit and I trusted him. He told me he would give me a bill of sale if I really wanted one, but hardly anyone asked for one. Next time, I'll probably insist on one.

Interestingly, I'm not a citizen of the state where I bought the pistol...was just visiting, but that didn't seem to bother anyone.

I guess the point is, while I don't agree with any restrictions concerning the sale of ANY legal product, I can see were the gun show critics get their ammunition, so to speak.

40 posted on 08/15/2007 12:32:18 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
"Gun control back as national issue"

Sounds to me like wishful thinking on the part of the leftmedia and their statist kin.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

41 posted on 08/15/2007 12:33:24 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Mr J

Desperate Libs Beat Anti-Gun Drum (minorites and women hit hardest)


42 posted on 08/15/2007 12:35:43 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: Cuttnhorse

SHHHUUSSSSHHHH!


43 posted on 08/15/2007 12:35:47 PM PDT by devistate one four
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To: untrained skeptic
Some of the things he has described as straw purchases aren't necessarily straw purchases either.

LOL, the libs are between a rock and a hard place on this one. The 'things' he describes as straw purchases are black and hispanic women buying guns. Nothing like a little racial profiling from a lib.

44 posted on 08/15/2007 12:37:12 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: neverdem
“Meanwhile, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama is criticizing the Bush administration for not banning assault rifles after nearly three dozen children were killed with them in Chicago during the past year.”

What? 36 kids killed with just in Chicago by “assault weapons” in one-year? Sorry, I call bull$hit on that...AP, please provide me with a reliable and unbiased source for that statistic. (My guess, “they” included gang bangers less then 21 as “kids”)

45 posted on 08/15/2007 12:37:32 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (I faithfully fart toward Mecca five times a day.)
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To: Joe Brower
It has always been a national issue, at least since the NFA of '34. We need to be trying to get rid of some, not just stopping them.

As for the libs, what was the public reaction to the VA Tech shootings?

We bought more guns!

D'oh!

46 posted on 08/15/2007 12:38:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Puppage
This pretty much sums up my attitude about owning firearms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

47 posted on 08/15/2007 12:38:18 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: neverdem
Meanwhile, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama is criticizing the Bush administration for not banning assault rifles after nearly three dozen children were killed with them in Chicago during the past year.

Obama Calls for Permanent Assault Weapons Ban to Combat Inner-City Violence

Nearly three dozen Chicago students have been killed this year, according to Chicago Public Schools. (by assault weapons? or just gangstas?) (snip)

He said the government needs to permanently reinstate an assault weapons ban and close regulatory loopholes that protect unscrupulous gun dealers.

Obama attacks violence in Chicago

"A couple weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side school," he said. "That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on the streets of Chicago." (oh, well then there is at least one "assault weapon" in Chicago but apparently no one was shot with it. oh wait, it was just a semiauto copy. never mind.) (snip)

"In Room 104 at Avalon Park Elementary School, an empty chair is pushed against the wall in memory of Quinton Jackson, the 8th grader who used to sit there, and who was stabbed to death a few months ago," he said. (hmm, well that one was stabbed to death. not exactly an "assault weapon". perhaps the 8th grader sat in elementary school three years too long and someone wanted his seat?)

Teen playing dice is shot, killed

An 18-year-old man was fatally shot overnight while playing dice near his West Side home, Chicago police said. (snip)

The victim, Robert Thomas, was playing dice on the corner with several other people when a gunman in black clothing approached and fired on the group, striking Thomas in the neck and back, Officer Marcel Bright said. The gunman was last seen running south on Lawler. (running with his..."assault weapon"? not too conclusive there.)

Bright said no one else was struck and that the killer was at large this afternoon. He said witnesses who were with the victim were not cooperating with police. (but why are these school children victims not cooperating with police? they must be so traumatized, that's it)

Gang's memorial event ends in fatal shooting

The deadly confrontation came after members of the La Raza street gang gathered in the 4400 block of West Cortez Avenue for the memorial shortly after midnight Saturday, prosecutors said. A quarrel allegedly led to a fistfight.

"After the fistfight ended, [Hernandez] produced a handgun and opened fire on the group, striking one victim in the head and a second victim in the left leg," Assistant State's Atty. Katherine Malloy said in court. (a handgun. well we can call it an "assault weapon".)

Father sues police over son's shooting

Family of teen, police question chase, shooting

Protests, probe follow fatal shooting by cops

As of July 12, the Office of Professional Standards investigated 21 police-involved shootings in 2007 involving 23 people, 10 of whom died, Bond said. In 2006, the office investigated 26 police-involved shootings, 10 of which were fatal, she said.

(if the police shot some of them, does that means police are carrying "assault weapons"? and why would police shoot these peaceful, innocent school children? golly, gee, it sounds like Obama and Jesse should just ban Chicago police.)

Sorry for the rambling collection of Chicago news clippings but I was trying to find the 36 children killed by "assault weapons" Obama mentioned. I couldn't find them. But I'm sure if they take all my firearms away, these peaceful Chicago school children will be safe.

48 posted on 08/15/2007 12:43:05 PM PDT by Sender (A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.)
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To: neverdem

I wish I could remember who was telling me (and no it wasn’t you) that gun control was a dead issue even after the Democraps won big in Kongress, “because it was a loser issue for them”


49 posted on 08/15/2007 12:43:40 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: Cuttnhorse
Not really. I bought an almost new Springfield Armory XD 9 at a show and when I asked about waiting time, required paper work, receipt, bill of sale, the seller told me that since he wasn't a business, but a private citizen who rented table space at a gun show, none of this was necessary and I walked out the door with my new purchase. On the way out, carrying my new purchase in it's plastic case, people in several booths asked me whay I had to sell or trade. I was very surprised that it was so easy as I was under the impression there was more to it.

Don't get to excited about it, up until Kennedy was shot we could go into a store and buy a gun and walk out with it right them. We could order guns by mail, you simply signed a statement that you were over 21 and whammo! your gun arrived in the mail.

Crime was lower, kids never shot each other in school and citizens could defend themselves at will. Every county in CA let you have a CCW if you passed the background check, you could carry a handgun openly(in a holster of course)and long guns also where ever you wanted(in CA).NYC was the only large city with oppresive gun laws and they had the highest crime rate.

The gun laws they have now haven't stopped, or even slowed down, crime, all they have done is make it harder for citizens to own firearms, and of course that is their real intent and purpose regardless of what anti-gun fanatics say.

50 posted on 08/15/2007 12:44:55 PM PDT by calex59
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