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Rookie cop who killed himself removed clip, left bullet in chamber
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 15, 2007 | Jaxon Van Derbeken,John Coté,

Posted on 08/15/2007 6:19:19 PM PDT by walkerk

The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend how officers are taught to avoid having their guns used against them, law enforcement authorities said Tuesday.

The incident happened at 1:40 a.m. Saturday during a gathering of as many as 15 people at the San Mateo apartment of the 23-year-old officer, James Gustafson Jr.

According to those familiar with the incident, Gustafson was showing his Police Department-issued semiautomatic pistol after removing the clip that stores the rounds. He explained that there are ways an officer can disable a weapon in close proximity to keep it from being fired.

It apparently was part of a demonstration of the department's "weapons retention" procedures. However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.

Gustafson pointed the weapon at his neck and pulled the trigger, shooting himself, according to authorities.

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To: walkerk
However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.

How was he supposed to know. He was a rookie. Shouldn't someone have told him that pointing a gun at yourself can be hazardous to your health? Obviously he couldn't reason that pointing a gun at someone else could get them killed therefore pointing a gun at himself could have a similar result. That only comes with years of experience in law enforcement. Or, in this case, a blinding instant of enlightenment.

41 posted on 08/15/2007 6:58:53 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: tickmeister

I remember my first deer hunt with my old man. (I must have been 7 or so and armed with a BB gun!) But alas I swung the barrel around carelessly and had to sit in the car the rest of the day.


42 posted on 08/15/2007 7:02:06 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Disambiguator

And here’s the rest of the story:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html
A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a weapons demonstration for Florida children is suing over the tape’s release, claiming that his career has been crippled and he’s become a laughingstock due to the embarrassing clip’s distribution. Lee Paige, 45, blames the video’s release on DEA officials in an April 7 federal lawsuit filed against the U.S. government. A copy of the pro se complaint by Paige, a DEA agent since 1990, can be found below. According to the lawsuit, Paige was making a “drug education presentation” in April 2004 to a Florida youth group when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged. The shooting occurred moments after Paige told the children that he was the only person in the room professional enough to carry the weapon. The accident was filmed by an audience member, and the tape, Paige claims, was turned over to the DEA. The drug agency subsequently “improperly, illegally, willfully and/or intentionally” allowed the tape to be disseminated. As a result, Paige—pictured above in a still from the video—has been the “target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments” directed at him in restaurants, grocery stores, and airports. Paige, who writes that he was “once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA,” points to the clip’s recent airing on popular television shows and via the Internet as the reason he can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer “permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations.”


43 posted on 08/15/2007 7:02:38 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: walkerk

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use


44 posted on 08/15/2007 7:03:25 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: walkerk
The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend...

He shot his load earlier than he intended.

45 posted on 08/15/2007 7:07:05 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: XeniaSt

Those rules don’t apply to cops and G-men, dontcha know, because they are so much more per-fessional than the rest of us.

/s

TC Bump.


46 posted on 08/15/2007 7:08:01 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: walkerk

Darwin candidate, possible semiannual winner of the year.


47 posted on 08/15/2007 7:08:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Disambiguator
Yeh, they don't use our rules ; they use Jeff's rules

48 posted on 08/15/2007 7:11:42 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

With all due respect, there is no such thing as an unloaded firerm.

I am also unaware of any safe directions in which to point a firearm.

Best regards,

49 posted on 08/15/2007 7:12:02 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: walkerk

Oro en Paz Fierro en Guerra


50 posted on 08/15/2007 7:14:03 PM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: Copernicus
With all due respect, there is no such thing as an unloaded firerm.

I am also unaware of any safe directions in which to point a firearm.

Best regards,

49 posted on 08/15/2007 8:12:02 PM MDT by Copernicus

If you point the gun in a safe(r) direction and keep your finger off the trigger you can then see if it is unloaded.

Safe direction is a relative term


51 posted on 08/15/2007 7:18:00 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: tickmeister
Ditto. I mean, rule one for me growing up was "Treat every weapon as if it were loaded." Two was "Never point a weapon at anything you aren't ready to kill."

IMHO keeping kids away from firearms makes them more dangerous, not less. A youth with proper instruction and even a little training is far safer than a youth who has only been exposed to television and or movies' depictions of firearms. For these deprived individuals, a weapon is a curiosity, a toy, something with few consequences to its use, and there is no respect. In other words, a recipe for tragedy - such as a supposedly trained peace officer shooting himself.

52 posted on 08/15/2007 7:20:30 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: elkfersupper

Looks like his finger is on the trigger.


53 posted on 08/15/2007 7:21:50 PM PDT by squidly
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To: walkerk

Bogus stroy,,,,a SF MALE cop talking to a FEMALE..........


54 posted on 08/15/2007 7:26:21 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: ASA Vet
MAGAZINE!

When people get a Journalism degree, they should be required to work on a farm, in an auto plant, in a coal mine, in a truck stop, a police station, on a military base, and a hospital for 6 months each before they are permitted to write one word.

55 posted on 08/15/2007 7:27:54 PM PDT by Octar
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To: ASA Vet

I also hate when they call it a “clip”. I have had occasion to try to show a friend the “magazine safety” feature on S&W semi-autos I own whereby dropping the magazine out will not allow the round in the chamber to fire, but it was done at a range and pointed down range just as if we were firing. I would never in a million years trust in any “safety” feature while the gun were pointed at anything or anybody. My worst experience was once when my neighbor handed me a little “Praetoria Arms” .25. There was no magazine in it and I watched him cycle the action to check clear, but never did so myself. I was holding this little piece of rust he’d found, had it pointed at the dirt and damn if it didn’t “go bang”. There was one hung in there somehow and, sure enough, ...I was reminded that idiots like me have to be extra careful. He asked what he should do with it. I said. “Wait for one of those dumbass ‘gun buybacks’ and get the $50 because that’s about $75 more than it’s worth.”


56 posted on 08/15/2007 7:28:34 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: tickmeister
I could take the magazine out, check the chamber 10 times, and I would still probably be mentally unable to force myself to point a gun at my neck and pull the trigger

Same here. During my carry permit training we had to dry-fire at the instructor and it gave me big-time heebie-jeebies. I can't imagine what it's like to point it at your own fool self and pull the trigger. We sure do have a lot of soft-headed oafs on our police forces nowadays.

-ccm

57 posted on 08/15/2007 7:29:19 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: walkerk

Not smart firearms management.


58 posted on 08/15/2007 7:31:20 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: tickmeister
I can’t even imagine doing this. I could take the magazine out, check the chamber 10 times, and I would still probably be mentally unable to force myself to point a gun at my neck and pull the trigger

EXACTLY!! (What a sad waste.)

59 posted on 08/15/2007 7:31:22 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: geopyg

I remember when I learned this lesson myself. Around 8 or 9, my Dad let my brother and I shoot his pistol. Now he drummed into us several times the “gun is always to be considered as loaded” and “Never point it at anything you aren’t planning to shoot”. Also the “it is not a toy” speach.

I remember watching him unload it and hand it to me and I foolishly pointed it around making bang noises. He slapped me to the ground so hard my teeth hurt. I learned my lesson well. Too bad this officer didn’t have someone to teach him early. Like a earlier poster said, I check, recheck, and check again and I doubt I would ever point one at myself even if drunk.


60 posted on 08/15/2007 7:32:31 PM PDT by packrat35 (PIMP my Senate. They're all a bunch of whores anyway!)
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