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Rookie cop who killed himself removed clip, left bullet in chamber
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 15, 2007 | Jaxon Van Derbeken,John Coté,

Posted on 08/15/2007 6:19:19 PM PDT by walkerk

The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend how officers are taught to avoid having their guns used against them, law enforcement authorities said Tuesday.

The incident happened at 1:40 a.m. Saturday during a gathering of as many as 15 people at the San Mateo apartment of the 23-year-old officer, James Gustafson Jr.

According to those familiar with the incident, Gustafson was showing his Police Department-issued semiautomatic pistol after removing the clip that stores the rounds. He explained that there are ways an officer can disable a weapon in close proximity to keep it from being fired.

It apparently was part of a demonstration of the department's "weapons retention" procedures. However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.

Gustafson pointed the weapon at his neck and pulled the trigger, shooting himself, according to authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; copkiller; darwinawards; donutwatch; gunsafety; leo; rkba
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar
keeping kids away from firearms makes them more dangerous, not less

When my sons were young one of their playmates mom called to ask if it was true, as her son had told her, that I had handguns in the house. My answer was, "Of course I do, all Americans should be armed."
She informed me that her son would no longer be allowed to come to our house. I replied that since you're a commie liberal your son probably hasn't had "Eddie Eagle" training so is no longer welcome at my house.
After that I always inquired about their "Eddie Eagle" training before allowing new kids in my home. If they didn't have it they were told to go tell their parents they could return once they'd passed.

61 posted on 08/15/2007 7:34:19 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: walkerk

When antis demand “safe” guns, they talk about a loaded chamber indicator, and a magazine safety (no mag, no trigger sear). They also want invisible serial numbers and a bunch of other useless stuff.

I’m not sure that either would have helped here if it was a hotshot showing off. Well, maybe the mag disconnect.

He was with 15 people who had never had gun training. I’d like to think that had I been there I would have stopped him, or at least shouted STOP!

I certainly would have spoken out at the idea of drawing a pistol at a party, and I’m sure that any other trained person would have questioned the very beginning of this unfortunate mistake.

The more we remove even the word handgun from our young people and call in air support when a 9 year old draws a crayon picture of a gun, the more this stuff will happen.


62 posted on 08/15/2007 7:35:38 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: XeniaSt
If you point the gun in a safe(r) direction and keep your finger off the trigger you can then see if it is unloaded. Safe direction is a relative term

You may find Colonel Jeff Cooper's interpretation of some interest:

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html

Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

All guns are always loaded - period!

This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)

Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.

SUMMARY:

Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?

Excerpted from: The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644, $40

63 posted on 08/15/2007 7:36:01 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: ccmay
During my carry permit training we had to dry-fire at the instructor

I'd have fired that clown on the spot and gone to real instructor.

64 posted on 08/15/2007 7:36:54 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: petro45acp
And the poor officer that killed himself is another casualty of departments that do not stress realistic training in the handling of firearms.

They do teach them how to handle firearms. It is sad, but it was his own fault, not that of the training he received.

65 posted on 08/15/2007 7:37:07 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ccmay

“During my carry permit training we had to dry-fire at the instructor”

You had to do this to get a permit? Great Googly Moogly. I don’t know if I would do that either as student or teacher.


66 posted on 08/15/2007 7:38:22 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DJ Taylor
He also notes that he is no longer “permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations.”

What an outrage!!!!!!! Considering his qualifications to do so, it's obvious discrimination on their part!!!!!!! Cry me a river!!! Cry me a whole ocean!!!!!!!

67 posted on 08/15/2007 7:40:27 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Disambiguator
  On semi-autos you have to remove the magazine, then cycle the action to clear the chamber.

Don't forget the visual inspection. No extractor is 100% infallible.
68 posted on 08/15/2007 7:43:42 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: tickmeister

I couldn’t agree with you more.


69 posted on 08/15/2007 7:45:19 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: pissant
DEFINATELY


70 posted on 08/15/2007 7:46:25 PM PDT by Teen Challenge Republican
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To: walkerk

I expect the liberal bastion of San Francisco to stop arming their police officers... almost surprised that they still do...


71 posted on 08/15/2007 7:47:14 PM PDT by gopguy63 (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.)
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To: tickmeister

I’m with you. I was 8 when I first shot a 20 gauge. I was 9 when I shot the 22. I was 13 when I went through my first clip of a 9mm. I couldn’t, under any circumstance put an empty gun to my head and pull the trigger. Can’t do it. Period.


72 posted on 08/15/2007 7:48:12 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: walkerk

I pulled that stunt with a 45 once...took the clip out and pulled the trigger, fortunately for me I didn’t point it at my neck...


73 posted on 08/15/2007 7:49:05 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: walkerk

Paging the Darwin Award committee!


74 posted on 08/15/2007 7:49:18 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Malsua
I was 13 when I went through my first clip MAGAZINE of a 9mm
75 posted on 08/15/2007 7:50:14 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I count at least 5 violations of the 4 cardinal rules so far.


76 posted on 08/15/2007 7:50:20 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
...took the clip MAGAZINE out
77 posted on 08/15/2007 7:51:46 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: walkerk
officers are taught to avoid having their guns used against them,

Ouch! It was afterall San Francisco but I still can't imagine having my gun used against me. He probably had a few drinks, wanted to impress the girl, had his mind on his gun and got careless with his pistol.

78 posted on 08/15/2007 7:53:00 PM PDT by fso301
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To: tickmeister

“F” n “A”. It’s like some kind of compulsion that prevents my hand from turning towards my body. Keeping the four rules in mind negates tragedy.


79 posted on 08/15/2007 7:53:42 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: fso301

Those “guns” do have a way of getting young men in trouble.


80 posted on 08/15/2007 7:54:41 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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