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Frequest Liars: Airlines Demand Special Treatment
AOPA ^ | 8/17/07

Posted on 08/17/2007 10:07:01 AM PDT by pabianice

The Department of Transportation reported this week that airline flight delays in June were worse than either May or June of last year. The airlines jumped on the news to again claim that it is an outdated air traffic control system and an "unfair" funding system that's responsible.

But if you dig deeper into the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) data, the major causes leap out: weather and scheduling. And as we've said before, tinkering with the aviation tax system and building NextGen (the air traffic modernization program) are still not going to allow airliners to penetrate a line of thunderstorms or occupy the same spot at the same time on a runway or taxiway.

"The facts clearly show that the airlines' own scheduling practices are a major cause of the problems," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "And they can't expect ATC modernization to cure all ills."

More than 40 percent of airline delays are attributed to weather, according to the BTS. Looking at another data set, you see that the air carriers themselves are responsible for more than 25 percent of their delays through things they can control (maintenance or crew problems, baggage loading, fueling, etc.).

(Excerpt) Read more at aopa.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 08/17/2007 10:07:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

If there is one drop of rain anywhere in Georgia, you WILL NOT make your connection in Atlanta.
Semper Fi,


2 posted on 08/17/2007 10:11:42 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: pabianice
Until the last couple of years I had to fly for Business a lot. Well, "too much", actually.

Has anyone else noticed that when there is a delay for "Mechanical Reasons", after 45 minutes to an hour there is a sudden surge of luggage and standby passengers?

Or maybe I was just imagining it, over and over...?

3 posted on 08/17/2007 10:15:06 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: pabianice

I have made two airline reservations within the past six months. The itinerary of each of them changed significantly before the flights were actually made. In each case, the change resulted in having to depart earlier than originally planned and arrive several hours later than originally planned. Both were originally planned to have one connection, but in one case an additional connection was added with the change.

Also in each case, I was crammed into the very back seats of flights, leading me to believe that my original flight connection was canceled and I was shoved onto another flight that had a couple of seats still left on it.

What can you do about that?


4 posted on 08/17/2007 10:17:44 AM PDT by randita ( Why won't Muslim countries permit Christian churches to be built on their soil?)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
If there is one drop of rain anywhere in Georgia, you WILL NOT make your connection in Atlanta.

Also, I've heard first hand reports that if you have a layover in Denver of less than one hour, you will not get your luggage at your arrival city.

5 posted on 08/17/2007 10:19:31 AM PDT by randita ( Why won't Muslim countries permit Christian churches to be built on their soil?)
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To: randita
What can you do about that?

I bet you were not flying Southwest.

6 posted on 08/17/2007 10:22:34 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here...)
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To: pabianice

Ah, my last flight to Macon, GA... they lost my luggage, the car rental lost my car, and the hotel lost my reservation. There I was in sweat-soaked clothes in 95 degree heat with no fresh clothes to change into, no hotel to go to, and no way to get there. I am grateful _every day_ that my business travel days are OVER.


7 posted on 08/17/2007 10:43:24 AM PDT by pabianice
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Flying these days is utter hell. I’m not knowledgeable enough to suggest improvements and I’m perfectly aware that we remember bad experiences far more vividly than good or acceptable ones. But there really is no predicting when you’ll actually arrive at your destination. And if your itinerary involves a connecting flight, you just know you’re going to get hosed.


8 posted on 08/17/2007 10:52:13 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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I bet you were not flying Southwest.

Southwest used to routinely cancel some of the late afternoon Hobby - Love flights to ensure that the ones that did go were full. Since they had departures scheduled as frequently as every 15 minutes, you were never more than a half hour or so late, and if you got there early, they'd cram you on the next flight out, so I never saw anyone complain.

9 posted on 08/17/2007 11:02:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: pabianice

I know a few things about airport finance, and anything coming from the AOPA (an organization for private pilots) is extremely suspect.

General Aviation receives enormous tax subsidies, and General Aviation fuel taxes provide less than 5% of the Aviation Trust Fund revenues.

Who pays into the Trust fund? Commercial airline passengers. The AOPA wants commercial flyers to continue subsidizing.

Read the Bureau of Transportation Statistics studies, which show GA is more subsidized than that favorite political whipping boy, AMTRAK.


10 posted on 08/17/2007 11:39:08 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: PAR35

I refer to Southwest as “taking the bus”. Really not much different.


11 posted on 08/17/2007 11:39:17 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: dashing doofus

You are correct that General Aviation does not contribute as much as it uses with regard to air traffic.

Put commercial and general aviation on the same finance scheme (fuel tax or use tax) and fund the new system.

Airlines are partly responsible, but the biggest problem is with ATC.


12 posted on 08/17/2007 11:43:41 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: glorgau
I refer to Southwest as “taking the bus”.

Flying Southwest is like carpooling with hippies. Cheap, but you pay for it with the smell.

13 posted on 08/17/2007 11:45:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: pabianice

I know people now that would prefer to drive 700 miles than fly a plane that far. That wasn’t true five years ago...when most of us hated driving more than two or three hours. I’m thinking that AMTRAK isn’t such a bad deal anymore...and you can always get off and just escape the train anytime things go wrong.


14 posted on 08/17/2007 11:48:15 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Erik Latranyi

I think its more than just ATC. Private pilots should not be depending on commercially generated aviation tax dollars (i.e. passenger ticket taxes) to fund virtually all of the FAA operations and grants, many of which go to General Aviation airports that benefit mainly private pilots. If localities or states decide they want to subsidize GA airports, that’s fine, IMO, but right now, all commerical passengers are heavily subsidizing the GA industry.

AOPA puts out vast amounts of disinformation on this, but is very influential with politicians.


15 posted on 08/17/2007 11:50:55 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus
If localities or states decide they want to subsidize GA airports, that’s fine, IMO, but right now, all commerical passengers are heavily subsidizing the GA industry.

I am in favor of funding via usage fees, fuel taxes, etc that puts the burden on the largest users. That would spread it out between GA and Part 135.

16 posted on 08/17/2007 11:56:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: pepsionice
I know people now that would prefer to drive 700 miles than fly a plane that far.

When it sometimes takes longer to fly from PA to FL than it would take to drive, can you blame them?

17 posted on 08/17/2007 11:57:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: randita
"What can you do about that?"

Gulfstream V :-)

18 posted on 08/17/2007 11:58:26 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Erik Latranyi

Same here. General Aviation is subsidized at so many levels, from the grants that GA airports receive, to the tax breaks that Cessna, Raytheon and other small aircraft manufacturers receive.

Private pilots now pay a tiny $0.193/gallon tax on AVgas purchases, and that is basically it. GA airport capital improvements (for reliever and most publicly owned GA facilities) are funded by 95% FAA grant, with the local and state match portion being only 2 1/2% each. Next time you drive by your local airport, that runway and tower you are looking at was paid with your federal tax dollars, and the tax you pay on tix when you fly commercially.

The AOPA cynically tries to obscure this fact, and alos makes bogus economic arguments about the economic benefits of GA.


19 posted on 08/17/2007 12:03:39 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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My 13 year old daughter's trip on United at the end of June became a nightmare. A Nashville Flight to Denver was good, next a trip to Phoenix, so far so good. Back to Denver on Saturday, they lost her luggage, finally shows up a 1:00 am. Trip from Denver to Nashville on Sunday was delayed. She was supposed to take off a 7:50 to land at 10:20. They boarded the plane and left the gate. The plane is delayed, and delayed, until it is finally canceled. (Meanwhile I was at the airport waiting, and the arrivals sign says on time.)

They book her on the same flight number for Monday, but don't unload the luggage. They send it on ahead, so she has nothing but what she's wearing. Then the damn airline didn't have a crew. They have to scramble to get a crew together. Once again they are delayed and delayed. She landed at 12:45 am.

I hate to fly.

20 posted on 08/17/2007 12:03:42 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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