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Heroin addiction isn't an illness...and we should stop spending millions 'treating' it
Daily Mail ^ | 08/18/07 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/19/2007 7:34:56 PM PDT by ventanax5

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To: PeterPrinciple
I would propose that many have to hit bottom inorder to be saved.........................

How very compassionate of you. Prison is a very disturbing experience for most people, though there does seem to be a certain class of folk who thrive there. Perhaps they, like you, think it's a character-building experience.

61 posted on 08/20/2007 2:35:53 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: ventanax5

This author is full of unadulterated bovine scatology.

I’m an addict, and a LLLLLOOOONG time ago, it stopped being a moral decision for me. It actually became a true disease.

(PS: I’m clean multiple years now)


62 posted on 08/20/2007 2:37:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: al baby

Holy moly! My beeber is stuned! I didn’t gno you were an adickt too!


63 posted on 08/20/2007 2:39:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Lazamataz

just vokca and zanaxe im better now I wrote the beeber thread sober by the way


64 posted on 08/20/2007 2:46:22 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

I was into cocaine. Life is much better without it!


65 posted on 08/20/2007 2:51:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: visualops

It was my experience as a former mental health profession who worked in a chemical dependancy unit that no one gives up anything unless they want to give it up. I also (and I had to keep it to myself cuz of the higher ups) disagreed then and now with the *disease* concept utilized in many treatment programs.

Until someone is forcing these drug users at gun point to shoot up or snort some, IMO, its a choice these people make.


66 posted on 08/20/2007 2:51:47 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Trailerpark Badass

How very compassionate of you

Thank you for the complement.

It is only when people reach a broken state that they can be repaired, whether in a spiritual sense or worldly sense. I have worked with men out of prison and those dealing with addictions. If you enable them so that they don’t have to bear the full consequences of their actions, they will continue the behaviour.

NEVER REACH OUT FOR A FALLING KNIFE, WAIT UNTIL IT HAS HIT THE FLOOR. THEN IT IS OK TO PICK IT UP.


67 posted on 08/20/2007 3:21:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Ken H

They may have the same number of heroin addicts per capita, but their overall drug problem is a fraction of ours.


68 posted on 08/20/2007 5:47:23 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Has drug usage decreased as a result of the WOD?

Decreased as compared to what? What it would have been if there was no "WOD"?

I'm sure of it. Nobody would seriously argue that ANY activity DECREASES when legalized. Unless they were high or something. ;-)

69 posted on 08/20/2007 7:25:44 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
btw, drugs are everywhere in every town and are very available right now.

And legalizing drug usage would make the drugs even more available and remove the social stigma of illegal drug use, thus increasing supply and demand. Great idea? Not so much.

70 posted on 08/20/2007 7:28:17 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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For someone whose only crime is using, or perhaps selling, illegal drugs, do you really think that incarceration is a benefit in learning to become a good citizen?

First of all, it does serve as a deterrent. Most people don't want to go to jail. Secondly, if you are suggesting that incarceration can't be a benefit in learning to become a good citizen (i.e, stay out of trouble - stay out of jail), then I guess your argument is that only people with life sentences should be serving time.

I disagree. Going to jail, even if for only a short period, is the best thing that could ever happen to someone headed in the wrong direction.

71 posted on 08/20/2007 7:32:55 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: TheStickman

It was my experience as a former mental health profession who worked in a chemical dependancy unit that no one gives up anything unless they want to give it up. I also (and I had to keep it to myself cuz of the higher ups) disagreed then and now with the *disease* concept utilized in many treatment programs.

Until someone is forcing these drug users at gun point to shoot up or snort some, IMO, its a choice these people make.
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I totally agree, and I also worked in a mental health hospital. . . . for 11 years.


72 posted on 08/20/2007 10:11:02 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: ventanax5

I’m all for treating substance abuse as exactly what it is- moral weakness.

I’ve been around these people my whole life and even had my own problems “back in the day”. Two basic things they ALL have in common: these are some of the most self-indulgent people you will EVER meet and it’s ALWAYS “someone else’s fault”.

I have not one ounce of sympathy for drunks or drug abusers.


73 posted on 08/20/2007 10:17:17 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: GLDNGUN

What about when something is legalized, but the billions of dollars spent on running through the jungles of Columbia, chasing crack dealers through the streets, and housing imates is instead spent on tons of education for children and great treatment for any user who wants it?


74 posted on 08/21/2007 3:56:22 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: GLDNGUN

Believe whatever you’d like.


75 posted on 08/21/2007 3:57:37 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: GLDNGUN

Believe whatever you’d like.


76 posted on 08/21/2007 3:57:43 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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