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Romney Wrong That His Abortion Flip Flops Like Reagan's
Men's News Daily ^ | 8/20/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/20/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

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To: Reagan Man
The fact he did it in 2005 smells of political expediency.

Okay. Romney changing his stance to Pro-Life was entirely political expediency. 100% a cynical political move. Fine.

If our choice in Presidential candidates is limited to those untainted by political expediency, then we are going to have small choice indeed. I'd sooner take my chances with a candidate who has been tested by the gale force left wing winds of MA than by candidates who have enjoyed balmy conservative climes and have simply had to go along with their constituency.

101 posted on 08/20/2007 11:54:59 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: restornu

I think the “creator”, as you put it, would expect folks to respect human life enough and not make off the wall remarks to hide their own failings.

Has Romney apologized? No. Was it the first time he said something along those lines? No.


102 posted on 08/20/2007 11:55:22 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

Your own words has reveals your disingenuous!


103 posted on 08/20/2007 11:59:38 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Petronski

My experience with you is that you are hopless because you are void of civility!


104 posted on 08/20/2007 12:01:07 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Plutarch

Than you just might find the former Mayor of NYC even more to your liking.

Political expediency isn’t a virtue. Romney`s recent conversion to pro-life candidate status is the perfect example. Its a vice. An ugly vice.


105 posted on 08/20/2007 12:02:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

It isn’t a poor choice of words, it is not truthful. Either he is ignorant and doesn’t know what the truth is or he said something not true in order to get elected. I don’t want a good man trashed.

I don’t know why he or you is doing this but it is unacceptable. Reagan cannot speak for himself so someone wants to rewrite history. I don’t know what is in your heart or Romneys but I can protest. I can defend Reagan. Because I want his reputation protected.

Why do something like this? You want him to be elected so bad that you are willing to do anything to have it happen? It is as if you are calling Ronald Reagan a liar.

It isn’t about grammar or my preferences or editing. It is about the truth and about things not true and slander. The truth is the truth, an untruth is not simply a poor choice of words. It goes to character. What kind of character would want to do something like this? I cannot understand a conservative doing something like this.

If this is being done for the purpose of getting Romney elected [and I’m not completely sure of that] then he does not deserve to be elected.


106 posted on 08/20/2007 12:06:27 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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Guess who?

“These are my principles. If you don’t like them, I have others.”


107 posted on 08/20/2007 12:25:05 PM PDT by colorcountry (Silence isn't always golden.....Sometimes it's just yellow!)
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To: Diamond; Reagan Man
Right. Reagan's history on the topic is decidedly better than Romney's. I think we can stipulate to that. That is not my point at all. There is only one Reagan. And while some may possess Reaganesque qualities, there will be no other Ronald Reagan. I don't know about everybody else, but the only point I am trying to make is that people do change for the better.

Also, even though the past record is checkered, there is no limit to the good that Romney can do in the future precisely because he does possess many Reaganesque qualities. Some of us have chosen to embrace this convert, Mitt Romney, who has been endorsed by good and decent people like David French, Jay Sekulow, Peter Flaherty and others. They trust him to do great things and so do we.

BTW Diamond -- there is no rich irony there --- we have much more than mere words now on which to judge --- Romney has established a pro-life record in Massachusetts. See posts #50 & #52

108 posted on 08/20/2007 12:36:06 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (I am sick and tired of the holier than thous)
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To: hoosierpearl
No, those are not the only explanations for the word choice, HP. I would like the first person to step forward who has not exaggerated something or said something they regret in a heated exchange. Then I'd like all those to step forward who can guarantee they'd never exaggerate or misspeak or slip up on national television while being attacked by a MSM tool. I don't know anybody perfect like that.

Because you are a supporter of another candidate campaigning on this thread rather than promoting your own candidate on another, you are inclined to assign nefarious motives to his word choice. I am not. I think it was an honest mistake.

109 posted on 08/20/2007 12:40:19 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (I am sick and tired of the holier than thous)
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To: restornu
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110 posted on 08/20/2007 12:42:54 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (I am sick and tired of the holier than thous)
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To: hoosierpearl; redgirlinabluestate
No one can speak for any of or for the Founding Fathers yet they do give their opinion on things!

Thinks have been said about JFK and he is not here to defend hisself as well as Nixion etc.


Some of you are just thowing pasta against the wall to see if its sticks!

111 posted on 08/20/2007 12:44:18 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Romney's attack on the Reagan legacy was a huge error in judgment. If it was a mistake, than he should've apologized for it immediately and his supporters shouldn't be making endless excuses for him. IMO, it appears to have been a deliberate falsification of the Reagan record on abortion, to hide Romney's support of Roe v Wade and abortion on demand during most of his adult life.

>>>>>Also, even though the past record is checkered, there is no limit to the good that Romney can do in the future precisely ...

Since I don't consider Romney a conservative, I find your rhetoric here to be way over the top. Bush has given conservatives a checkered policy record as POTUS. We only got about half up the conservative meter with Bush. A glass half full, at best. If Giuliani is at the extreme lower end of conservatism that places Romney somewhere between Bush and Giuliani. A weak Republican candidate, more a political centrist moderate, than a solid conservative.

I don't trust liberals and I don't put my faith in centrist moderates either.

112 posted on 08/20/2007 1:01:13 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

OMG You’re shameless. LOL


113 posted on 08/20/2007 1:03:30 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: RolandBurnam; elizabetty
anyone know how he made his money? I saw the article the other day he is worth 200 million. How did he get it?

No doubt by nefarious means. I'm sure the anti-Mitt gang will be along soon to tell us how he robbed old ladies at gunpoint, accepted bribes from the mafia, blah blah blah. I'm not very good at this stuff but trust me, they are FAR better. Your wish will be fulfilled!

114 posted on 08/20/2007 1:05:07 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: restornu

At least they don’t have to hide Mitt in a golf cart only to emerge periodically for show. That’s a candidate with something to hide. As soon as he opens his mouth you know why.


115 posted on 08/20/2007 1:09:22 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
This comparison is more truthful.

Two centrist-moderate Republicans.

116 posted on 08/20/2007 1:11:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Don't forget, Democrat Ronald Reagan voted for FDR for President four times, and campaigned for Harry Truman. He remained a Democrat until he switched his registration in 1962. He lived 5 decades as a Democrat.

Don't forget, too, that Ronald Reagan said he had no opinion on abortion one way or another when he became governor. He was 56 years old. Hadn't really thought about it too much .

He would be called a RINO and blasted on FR today.

117 posted on 08/20/2007 1:13:58 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: redgirlinabluestate; HitmanLV
It truly is bordering on.....crazy.

I've become convinced these people don't interact much with the outside world.

118 posted on 08/20/2007 1:20:04 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

What are you talking about. Reagan is being attacked on FR on a daily basis.

Posters are comparing the liberal Rooty Giuliani to Reagan.

Other posters are comapring the centrist Mitt Romney to Reagan.

Both are insults to Reagan’s great conservative record as POTUS. Nuff said!


119 posted on 08/20/2007 1:20:53 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I have not campaigned for my choice on this thread.

I have not said a word about another candidate. You’ve got me mixed up with someone else.

The ONLY thing that I am concerned about here is what he said about Reagan.

I can accept that you think it was an honest mistake. But I cannot. He might have said it just because he listened to someone else say something. Should let President Reagan speak for himself [in his books] in his own words. Even if it was an innocent mistake it is hurtful to the character of President Reagan. It would be to me if someone said something like this about me.


120 posted on 08/20/2007 2:00:21 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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