Posted on 08/20/2007 9:18:44 AM PDT by mojito
Even though Mitt Romney can't seem to dislodge Rudy Giuliani atop the national GOP polls, and can't even draw as much poll support as Fred Thompson, who isn't even running yet, there is an understandable anticipatory buzz about him.
He may well be the eventual choice of his party if the Thompson phenomenon fizzles or if Giuliani supporters simply grow weary of navigating the obstacles posed by his past and his politics.
In an appearance in Texas last week, I saw Romney energize a crowd with just the kind of speech a GOP nominee should give-- strong and unapologetic on the war, upbeat and resolute about the future. This is a typical Romney performance, and it earns him speculation that he has nowhere to go but up.
This is wholly deserved. But the issue of his religion, which some say has been overplayed, has in fact not been addressed with nearly the thoroughness and honesty that will be necessary to satisfy some in the Republican voting base.
It has not been addressed well by the candidate, and it has not been handled honestly by pundits. Until it is, it lurks as a torpedo that could spell the doom of his promising candidacy.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
If you cannot find it outside of the works of Paul, who was merely an apostle who Peter himself had to qualify as to his words and teachings, and deny the words of the living Christ, then you are right. We have no common ground.
Wow!
If I can’t use the works of Paul, by YOUR ORDER.
You can’t use the works of the Book of Mormon, by MY ORDER.
After all... your faith claims that the Book of Mormon is “another testament of Jesus Christ”.
So, knowing that I won’t cow-tow to your demands about which sources are acceptable, you can be assured that I do not find any of yours acceptable and will choose to ignore any attempts by you to say that I cannot quote from the Bible where I wish.
cow-tow...KOW-TOW... LOL
It’s late, PYW... WAKE UP and spell!
I haven’t used the Book of Mormon. And you are free to use the words of Paul. But if you are going to suggest that the words of Paul trump or alter the specific language of Jesus Christ himself, then yes you have a problem.
So...
If we can ONLY use the words of Christ, then I’m so happy we agree!
Because in the Bible it states
Peter 1:23
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
The word of God is Christ.
That sounds like someone who is running scared, rather than someone who is addressing the point I made.
The word of God isn’t good enough for you?
In the verse I quoted it SAYS that Christ is the word of God.
So, am I then to assume that you reject the word of God?
Why, YES! Because you have already said I can’t use PAUL. (Which is a point I reject.) I then used Peter, and you didn’t refute it.
Whatever. You obviously have a problem with grammar as well as comprehension. Now you are just arguing like a three year old. If someone follows the thread of our conversation they can see the merits of our respective positions. It just sounds like you are vainly trying to grasp a cogent thought.
For the second time, I never said you couldn’t use Paul. I only said what Peter said, don’t wrest his words to fashion a point of view that is in contradiction with the words of Christ and the other Apostles.
“A thoughtful and fair examination of the difficulties Romney’s Mormonism may pose for some voters.”
Scripted by the Klintoon attack machine several years ago while they were preparing for the Princess of Darkness to ascend the Throne of the Styxx.
Romney said in one of the debates: “Jesus Christ is my Savior” but for some reason that’s not good enough for the anti Mormons. Their Jesus is different from mine and Romney’s. Their Jesus died for them but not for Romney and me.
You’re right; “it just don’t make sense.”
“Romney is a Mormon? This is the first I am hearing of this. /s”
But, here is a news flash. John Kerry served in Vietnam.
“...I find all this questioning of Romney’s religion to be dirty, mean, underhanded, spiteful and small-minded.”
Did someone mention Hillary Ramrod Klintoon?
That phrasing must be on the talking points now. It’s been spittled out nearly exactly in that wording several times of late. Try rewording it to sound original, Saundra, even though it is specious to the max and you cannot cite ONE post where a Christian has stated ‘your Jesus isn’t good enough’. You people (Mormon Romney manipulator’s brigade) really should try not to expose the hive mentality so readily.
The word of God isn’t good enough for you?
In the verse I quoted it SAYS that Christ is the word of God.
So, am I then to assume that you reject the word of God?
Why, YES! Because you have already said I can’t use PAUL. (Which is a point I reject.) I then used Peter, and you didn’t refute it. I used the Peter to explain that the CHRIST IS THE WORD.
Following that point, logically EVERY word in the Bible, be it from Peter or Paul, is FROM CHRIST.
If you will not accept that all of the words in the Bible are of Christ, then you may want to spend some time reading ALL of the passages where the Bible says Christ is the WORD.
“No one ever asked Kennedy to defend arcane points of Catholic dogma. He gave “the speech,” and that was pretty much the end of it. And “the speech” was simply an assurance that Kennedy wouldn’t let the Pope run the country.”
As I check poster histories, I’m noting that most of the folks with contrarian views joined FR in 2004. I smell a Dim incursion.
I became frustrated with all the anti Mormon garbage so I started repeating my Testimony of Jesus Christ. Then I was told “Your Jesus is not the same as my Jesus.” What was left for me to say?
Perhaps Pan_Yans Wife will explain Paul’s writings in Titus 1:16 in relation to her claim that according to Paul works have no part in our being salvation/exaltation. In that scripture Paul writes:
“They profess that they know God; but in WORKS they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”
Stated otherwise, they claim to profess Christ as their Savior, but in their WORKS they deny Him, being abominable and reprobate. If professing a belief in Christ were all that were needed for salvation why would Paul describe those who profess such a belief, but who are not engaged in bad works as “reprobate?” By the way, “reprobate” is defined as one who is predestined to damnation or rejected by God and without hope of salvation. How does Titus 1:16 square with Pan_Yan’s Wife’s claim that believing in Christ is all that is required for salvation?
In my view, Paul’s teaching in Titus 1:16 is entirely consistent with James’ teaching regarding faith without works being dead. It is apparent some still wrestle with Paul’s writings today.
Post 199 should read: “WHO ARE ENGAGED IN BAD WORKS” rather than “who are not engaged in bad works.”
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