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Please Freep This Poll on Illegal Alien Elvira
Chicago Tribune ^ | 8/20/07 | Eric Zorn

Posted on 08/20/2007 6:20:00 PM PDT by Mn_PatriotGuard

Eric Zorn wants to know your opinion...

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KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; chicago; elvira; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: mamelukesabre

“You are using the example of a person that accidentally causes harm to another?”

The “accidental” part ends when he runs into the hoped for protection of the petticoat sanctuary. He now is a person wanted by the law.

If this is still not acceptable to you, then could you possibly put yourself into the position of the person hit by this driver, or one of his relatives ? Would your position of sanctuary in the petticoat protection building be the same ?”


101 posted on 08/20/2007 10:12:03 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: mamelukesabre
...the clergy must have a healthy respect for law enforcement.

Agreed. So take it from there.

Where is that "healthy respect" when a member of the clergy hides a U.S. lawbreaker in the church? Elvira Arellano is an arrogant Mexican who is determined to change U.S. law. She is a Mexican citizen! That she is employing her 8-year-old son as a tool in her misguided mission is most disgusting.

102 posted on 08/20/2007 10:18:57 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: Mn_PatriotGuard

Thanks for steering us to the poll...another opportunity to say NO to illegal alien invaders.


103 posted on 08/20/2007 10:24:22 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: B4Ranch

Semper Fi!


104 posted on 08/21/2007 3:09:31 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: ought-six

“in omne tempus”


105 posted on 08/21/2007 3:41:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: I still care

Some of us want ALL illegals out.


106 posted on 08/21/2007 4:21:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Mn_PatriotGuard

Freeped, with pleasure.

The ICE presser on this revealed that the ONLY two people who could see to it that she is able to return to the country are Gonzales and Chertoff. And if the OBL tools make enough of a stink about it, no doubt these two will allow her to return.


107 posted on 08/21/2007 4:47:13 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Joe Boucher

“Some of us want ALL illegals out.”

I am amazed each time I come across a Freeper who would give amnesty to ANY illegal aliens. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though, since there are still some rabid supporters of all things Bush.

I will vote for Duncan Hunter, who has said “they have to go home”.

I will not vote for the candidate who wants to figure out who is here and then give them (I assume the ‘good’ illegal aliens) “aspirations of citizenship”.

Unfortunately a good number of freepers will.


108 posted on 08/21/2007 4:51:48 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Racehorse

“because I am neither criminal nor terrorist,”

I believe that using stolen/fraudulent documentation is a FELONY.

AS IS, returning to the country a second time after deportation.

That would be TWO felonies.

IMO, illegal aliens who are apprehended, regardless of crimes, should be held in custody until our borders are effectively secured and THEN they should be deported.


109 posted on 08/21/2007 4:58:57 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: B4Ranch; All

I had heard about this effort via an email I received from a Patriot who objects to the effort. I must say, I agree. There is also some very good information regarding enforcement and sanctuary.

“Today, I am receiving emails telling me to thank ICE for deporting Elvira. I will not be contacting ICE to thank them for doing their job. Arellano was in a known location for a year and there is a reason why she was not arrested until this weekend. The two people most responsible for the “handling” of Arellano, Slim Coleman and Emma Lozanno, avowed communists (who really know how to manipulate the media) want the border between Mexico and the United States removed. George Bush wants the border removed.

Today and tomorrow , George Bush and Felipe Calderon, the presidents of the United States and Mexico, meet Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada, at the Fairmont Hotel in Montebello, Quebec. Further planning and analysis of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), an informal agreement signed by the leaders of the three countries in 2005, will command center stage.

In the last nine days, the White House media manipulators tried to take attention away from the SPP summit with the following events: Aug. 10 announcement of increased border enforcement - Karl Rove resignation - Bush daughter marriage announcement - Tony Snow resignation - deportation of Arellano. Not one of these so-called “news” items was UNPLANNED.

Oh, in case you care, Coleman, Lozanno, Obama and Hillary Clinton have something in common: Devout students of the thoughts and writings of Saul Alinsky.

How much coverage will the evening news be giving to the S.P.P. summit? How will they spin it?

Last week I received emails telling me to thank President Bush for his statement on the enforcement of immigration laws. I will also not be thanking George Bush for this announced stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws because I do not trust him. How much of his promised fence was built? How many National Guard troops are still on the border? When the illegal alien population in the United States drops below 100,000 (through attrition and enforcement, not an amnesty), then I will thank our politicians - not before! This will never happen if you do not educate your fellow citizens and vote some HONEST, PATRIOTIC people into office.

By the way, Mexican trucking companies start freely roaming the highways of the United States next month.

The following has made the rounds several times on the internet and it would really help if internet users would print it out and give copies to their friends and relatives who do not have internet access. It would also help if you print it out and give it to your local Police Chief, all members of your village, county boards, city councils, state elected officials etc.”

Subject: Inherent authority of local law enforcement officers and illegal sanctuary cities.

Local Law Enforcement’ s Inherent Authority Of Enforcing Immigration Law
By Digger

This just in from Arizona State Representative Russell Pearce on the inherent right of local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws.


Congress has firmly established that there is a significant public interest in the effective enforcement of immigration law. Congress could have chosen to limit local enforcement pursuant to its plenary power over immigration, but it has not done so. In the absence of a limitation on local enforcement powers, the states are bound by the Supremacy Clause of the United ‘States Constitution to enforce violations of the federal immigration laws. “The statutory law of the United States is part of the law of each state just as if it were written into state statutory law.”

Often a misunderstanding of the relationship between federal criminal and immigration law causes one to believe being present in the U.S. in violation of immigration law is civil and “not a crime” and is clearly wrong. The enforcement role given to local government by the Constitution and the Congress is clear. Unsanctioned entry into the United States is a crime.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as state law does not restrict such general power.

The U.S. has a “compelling interest” in the criminal prosecution of immigration law violators, which is a part of a comprehensive, essential sovereign policy of uniform immigration law enforcement.

In Sections 1324 the language that referred to officers “of the United States” when talking about authority to arrest was stricken from section 1324 by amendment. In People v. Baraja, a California court concluded, “that change can only mean that the scope of the arrest power under section 1324 was enlarged; in no way can it mean that the scope of arrest under the other two sections was restricted. Such an acute non sequitur would attribute to the Congress both serious inconsistency and profound lack of logic.”

The arrest, detention, or transportation of aliens by local police enforcing criminal provisions of the INA is not a regulatory “determination” of the conditions of alien entrance and residency, but merely enforcement of the previously determined conditions. States can prosecute illegal aliens under state laws without running afoul of the INA. State and local laws do not attempt to regulate who may come to and stay in the U.S. , and thus do not impinge upon the federal government’s exclusive power to regulate immigration, even if they affect immigrants.

Other important amendments to federal law enacted in 1996 were intended by Congress to encourage state and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing civil as well as criminal federal immigration laws by providing incentives such as reduced liability and specialized training.

In 1999 a decision in the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the independent authority of local police departments to enforce federal immigration law, as long as state law prescribing police power of arrest authorized such an arrest. The U.S. Dept. of Justice endorsed this doctrine in April 2002. Under Attorney General Ashcroft, the U.S. Dept. of Justice took the position that state and local police have inherent authority to enforce civil immigration laws.

Assistant Attorney General Kobach explained that the inherent arrest authority of states arises from their pre-constitutional status as sovereign entities. The powers retained by the states at the time of ratification proceeded “not from the people of the United States, but from the people of the several states,” and remain unchanged, except as they have been “abridged” by the Constitution. The authority of a state to arrest for violations of federal law is thus not delegated; but “inheres in the ability of one sovereign to accommodate the interests of another sovereign.” This federalism-based analysis has a strong judicial pedigree.

The courts also ruled (Miller v. U.S., 357 U.S. 301, 305(1958) that a warrant less arrest “of an arrest for violation of federal law by state peace officers, …the lawfulness of the arrest without warrant is to be determined by reference to state law.”

Sanctuary policies are illegal. Local, state, or federal government agencies that sanction or retaliate against employees or officials who report immigration law violations to ICE or the Border Patrol can be sued by the whistleblower under 8 U.S.C. 1373 or 8 U.S.C. 1644 for damages and costs.

Citizens have a constitutional right to expect the protection of federal laws which prohibit unauthorized activities by non-citizens are denied equal protection when a police department or magistrate acts in a manner that encourages or assists persons selected on the basis of nationality or alienage to engage in such unlawful activities.

Aggrieved residents may sue in state or federal court to block unlawful municipal passive resistance policies (so called Sanctuary Policies), and may sue officials and employees in their official or private capacities for violations of their rights. Local government officials do not possess Eleventh Amendment immunity or qualified immunity when sued in their official for prospective injunctive or declaratory relief to end statutory and constitutional violations.

“Harboring” includes any conduct that tends to substantially help an alien to remain in the United States unlawfully. Criminal liability for harboring or sheltering could arise from acceptance of a Mexican matricula consular – which, presented without proper immigration documents, is prima facie evidence of illegal alien status – by a local government agency that , for example, provide housing or utility assistance, made referrals to a public or private job assistance program or detained matricula presenters for violation of city ordinances and release them without verifying their immigration status with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

No policy or humanitarian argument has been identified by the courts that would negate the criminal mens rea of reckless disregard for the fact that aliens are present in the United States in violation of law. Neither sanctuary nor humanitarian concern is a valid defense to either civil or criminal violations of the Immigration and Nationality Act. It is illegal for non-profit, religious, or civic organizations to knowingly assist in the commission of an alien smuggling felony, regardless of claims that their member’ convictions may require them to assist aliens. The First Amendment does not protect actions that aid illegal aliens to remain in the United States.

Illegal aliens are not a suspect class entitled to Fourteenth Amendment based strict scrutiny of any discriminatory classification based on that status, nor are they defined by an immutable characteristic, since their status is the product of conscious unlawful action.

Every alien who has seen issued a registration document is a required to carry the document on his or her person. Federal regulations specify the immigration document that are evidence of alien registration. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the unregistered presence of an alien in the U.S. is in itself a crime. Failure to register is a continuing violation for which there is no statute of limitations. Other criminal misdemeanors are failure to have a registration card in personal possession ($100 fine and /or 30 days imprisonment) , and failure to report a change of address ($200 fine and /or 30 days).

A law enforcement officer has probable cause to detain an individual who admits he or she is an alien (legal or illegal) but is not in possession of registration documents. This is a crime that a warrant less arrest can be made in most jurisdictions.

Immigration document fraud is a felony enforceable by local police officers under 18 U.S.C. 1028. Criminalizes eight types of knowing conduct that relate to false identification documents.

The Bail Reform Act of 1984 created a powerful detention provision that authorizes a state of local police officer to arrest any alien other than a legal permanent resident for a federal “offense,” and to request a local magistrate to temporarily detain the alien for up to ten days without bail while awaiting transfer into federal custody, so long as the alien is found to be a “flight risk” or danger to any other person or the community.”

The authority to make arrest for federal offenses under 18 U.S.C. 3041 extends to state and local law enforcement officers. (U.S. v Bowdach, 561 F.2d 1160, 1168 (5th Cir. 1977) An illegal alien is an inherent flight risk.

Supreme Court Ruling Razes Artificial Fire Wall Between Local Law Enforcement and Immigration Enforcement (Muehler v. Mena) 9-0 Landmark Decision (Washington D.C.—April 1, 2005) In its March 22 ruling in the case of Muehler v. Mena, the Supreme Court removed barriers that prevent local law enforcement officers from questioning the immigration status of individuals they suspect to be in the United States illegally. In this groundbreaking decision, the high Court rejected the claim of Ira Mena, a permanent resident of the U.S., that police had violated the Fourth Amendment while conducting a lawful search of her home.

The Fourth Amendment provides protection by establishing that persons be shielded against unreasonable search and seizure. Mena argued that by questioning her, and the illegal alien detainees about their immigration status during a lawful search, officers violated her Fourth Amendment rights. Mena further claimed that questions asked about her citizenship required officers to have had independent reasonable suspicion regarding the unlawfulness of her immigration status.

Calling a decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals “faulty,” the Supreme Court held that “mere police questioning [regarding one’s immigration status] does not constitute a seizure.” The Court continued its landmark ruling on this issue by stating that “the officers did not need reasonable suspicion to ask Mena for her name, date of birth, or immigration status.”

“Whatever legal fig leaf many police departments have been using to justify policies of non-cooperation with federal immigration authorities, has been stripped away by this landmark Supreme Court decision,”

“If local police are barred from cooperating with federal authorities in the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws it is purely a political decision on the part of local politicians and police chiefs. There is no legal barrier to local police inquiring about a person’s immigration status and then acting upon the information they gather.”

Congress expressly intended for local law enforcement to act in cases in which officers have reason to believe that an individual is in the country illegally, even though immigration law enforcement is not their primary responsibility. In 1996, Congress passed and President Clinton signed legislation that protects individual officers who act to enforce federal immigration laws, even if their departments have non-cooperation policies.

“In Muehler v. Mena the Court reinforced the clear intent of Congress in this matter,” said Stein. “Inquiring about an individual’s immigration status can and should be a routine part of ascertaining information, no different than asking questions about one’s name, or date and place of birth. Local police come into contact with people who are violating federal immigration laws on a daily basis. Freeing local police to inquire about an individual’s immigration status and allowing them to act is essential to curbing mass illegal immigration and protecting our homeland security.”

Any decision by law enforcement not to enforce immigration laws is a political decision by politicians and local police chiefs, not a lack of authority.

A recent Memo by the U.S. Justice Dept. makes it clear local law enforcement can enforce immigration laws

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110 posted on 08/21/2007 5:06:49 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Mn_PatriotGuard

Should Elvira Arellano have been arrested for breaking U.S. immigration law?

Yes (21585 responses)

91.5%

No (2015 responses)

8.5%

Should a church building provide sanctuary from the law?

Yes (4148 responses)

17.7%

No (19264 responses)

82.3%

Arellano's 8-year-old son is a U.S. citizen. Should that make a difference in how her deportation case is handled?

Yes (5595 responses)

23.8%

No (17897 responses)

76.2%

Regardless of your personal feelings, do you think Arellano's case will generate so much sympathy and passion among her supporters that she'll become the Rosa Parks of the immigrant rights movement?

Yes (3751 responses)

16.0%

No (19741 responses)

84.0%


111 posted on 08/21/2007 5:25:47 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Kimberly GG

bttt!!!


112 posted on 08/21/2007 5:51:17 AM PDT by Guenevere (A)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; AmericaUnite; Atlanta Conservative; ...
Not quite a poll, but leave a comment on the illegal criminal who finally got deported in Chicago. "Elvira" Use any old email and name, you don't need to register. Thanks to Metmom for da ping! Lots of interesting comments, considering it is Chicago!

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

113 posted on 08/21/2007 6:19:18 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; AmericaUnite; Atlanta Conservative; ...

Poll is here, actually:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/elvirapoll,0,6563272.poll


114 posted on 08/21/2007 6:22:14 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: dynachrome

Done!


115 posted on 08/21/2007 6:43:51 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: Kimberly GG

Australia lets in folks that are either rich or that can contribute like say doctors or engineers.
If you are rich you will create jobs if you have something going for you you won’t be a drain on society.
Here if you are a homosexual, political protester or just poor and need a place to help have your babies then we take ya no questions. Now if you try to come with something to offer? get to the back of the line.


116 posted on 08/21/2007 7:29:57 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Kimberly GG
Your post is clear evidence that you are as frustrated as I am. I am not promoting the idea of email or calling in a Thank You to legislators, upper Agency department management or anyone above the men and women in the streets wearing a uniform.

I want the low level folks, the ones that Sutton charges, to know that we appreciate their efforts.

117 posted on 08/21/2007 10:49:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Joe Boucher

Somewhere in our immigration standards it says that an immigrant is NOT permitted to collect any social services, state or federal for a period of 5 (five) years.

I guess that is another minor detail that slipped by the department lawyers.


118 posted on 08/21/2007 10:58:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: IIntense; Islander2
My opinion of sanctuary is that it is a self imposed temporary prison sentence. Provided that the person is obeying the clergy and praying and doing work for the church, I say what’s wrong with that? Eventually, they will come out and then they will go through the criminal system. They are not escaping justice. They are merely postponing it.

I say if they are doing good while in their sanctuary, then let them postpone the justice they have coming to them...so long as the clergy have no problem with providing the sanctuary. In other words if the clergy believes the individual truly desires to find god and willing to make an honest effort.

I see no reason why the legal system and the churches can’t work together on this, rather than against each other...provided the clergy is legitimate and is not secretly trying to undermine the law. I think it’s a good way for churches to get volunteer work done and to minister to those that are in dire need of it...both at the same time. You think sanctuary is a means for a guilty person to get away with something. I think sanctuary is a means for a church to gain a faithful servant AND try to save his/her soul at the same time.

It's restitution and community service work done on a voluntary basis before even being arrested. It seems to me the criminal system could even use that as evidence against the person in a trial, when it eventually does come to pass.

119 posted on 08/21/2007 3:06:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: B4Ranch

see post 119


120 posted on 08/21/2007 3:09:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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