"Judge, please take it easy on us. We are just a couple of orphans."
---Lyle and Erik Menendez at the sentencing hearing after being found guilty of killing their parents.
Posted on 08/20/2007 6:20:00 PM PDT by Mn_PatriotGuard
Should Elvira Arellano have been arrested for breaking U.S. immigration law?
Yes (20332 responses) 91.4%
No (1910 responses) 8.6%
* 22242 total responses
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Should a church building provide sanctuary from the law?
Yes (3950 responses) 17.9%
No (18118 responses)82.1%
* 22068 total responses
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Arellano's 8-year-old son is a U.S. citizen. Should that make a difference in how her deportation case is handled?
Yes (5325 responses) 24.1%
No (16816 responses)75.9%
* 22141 total responses
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Regardless of your personal feelings, do you think Arellano's case will generate so much sympathy and passion among her supporters that she'll become the Rosa Parks of the immigrant rights movement?
Yes (3572 responses) 16.1%
No (18568 responses)83.9%
* 22140 total responses
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See:
Activist arrested in L.A. — chicagotribune.com
http://tinyurl.com/2vfdn2
ICE Headquarters, Director, Office of Detention and Removal Operations
801 I St, NW
Suite 900
Washington, DC 20536
Phone: 202-305-2734
2) Daily peace vigil at the Los Angeles ICE office until Elvira Arellano’s safe release.
ICE Field Office, Los Angeles
300 North Los Angeles St., Room 7631A
Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: 213-830-7911
Durbin, you twerpish little fart! You are part of the problem!
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I just wrote to Michelle Malkin to see how she felt about little Dickie Durbin.
The people of Illinois should call him on this.
"Judge, please take it easy on us. We are just a couple of orphans."
---Lyle and Erik Menendez at the sentencing hearing after being found guilty of killing their parents.
I freeped it. And as one comment said, Rosa Parks was fighting to be treated equally. This Elvira criminal is fighting for preferential treatment. She doesn’t have to obey the law.
I have news for you - it was a UNITED METHODIST Church where this woman was being sheltered. The national organization is now going to get a piece of my mind.
Done. Looks like we’re ahead by a whole lot!
Funny thing is, (not really) they call US bigots when it's the Mexican gov't and ruling classes who are the real bigots. The Spaniards who hold the brown people down.
BUMP for an excellent post helping out this thread!
In a mosque in the middle east we have seen proof that they are using the mosques as weapons stashes and such. That is a different matter. There would need to be an adjustment for such situations obviously. But a peaceable place of worship should not be violated by the state, no state. Not the US or the UN or any other nation. I don’t care what the religion. There are some questions as to whether islam is a peaceable religion and that would need to be looked into. Smarter people than me would have to figure out the details on that issue.
Let's use a hypothetical crime to which we can apply your reasoning.
"A person gets hit by a reckless driver whose car jumps the curb. The victim is injured, but the driver bolts into a nearby church. He knows the police can't touch him there. Meanwhile, the victim's been taken to the emergency room of a hospital and the family is beside themselves with worry.
The perpetrator found a safe haven...he/she, and the minister/reverend/pastor/priest don't have to obey the law."
What is the difference between the subject case and any other situation where someone breaks the law?
Chicago Tribune site could not be opened in China. Government here may have it blocked. I so wanted to respond to this one!
I hear what you’re saying. I understand what you are saying. But I dissagree. Because when you get right down to the nitty gritty, the cops are themselves violence. They are a troop of violent enactors of mob justice. They are the muscle behind the citizen’s opinion of justified violence. A democracy is nothing more than mob violence, but with official pretenses. The cops carry out the necessary violent actions on our behalf. They are a necessary evil.
I don’t want a city’s/county’s licensed muscle violating religious principles. I don’t want anyone wearing a “shield” that doesn’t understand that the ways of the “shield” are not acceptable in a place of worship.
Of course, for this system to work properly, the clergy must have a healthy respect for law enforcement. After all, without the “shield” bearers, who would protect the helpless and the the clergy from those that do not respect the clergy?
In all due respect, I think your wheels have come off the track so to speak.
I can’t answer for Shepard, but as a believer in God, the church and religion, I can tell you that what Shep. said about scoundrels using the petticoat protection of a church as a sanctuary that law enforcement cannot enter would lead to very
dire consequences.
Would/Will other religions/countries around the world follow your petticoat protection plan for a Christian say in a Moslem country ?
Sometimes it pays to rethink one’s position.
Mahalo
I’m in. I’ll help out. Even if she is old by now. I figure she must be near senior citizenship by now. But what the heck. If she still has a wig and cleavage, I’ll throw in.
You are using the example of a person that accidentally causes harm to another?
That’s the best you can come up with? Are you sure you don’t wan’t to try a more emotionally charged example of something like rape of a minor or something like that?
I’m not changing my mind based on this bland example. Sorry.
What eerie looking eyes.....
If you believe that a murderer or another violent criminal (crimes involving violence) should be able to find security from law enforcement in a church, you are welcome to retain that opinion. I will not share it.
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