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Peres on Sept 5th goes to Vatican to see if Catholic Church will oversee the Temple Mount

Posted on 08/27/2007 7:32:03 PM PDT by Scythian

Shimon Peres is going to see the Pope on September 5th to see if the Catholic Church will oversee the temple mount. The reason is the his plan to negotiate for sharing it with the Muslim as outlined in a final status deal with the Palestinians before an international conference in November.

Peres quietly drafted a plan for the Jewish state to evacuate and transfer to the Palestinians nearly the entire West Bank and several Arab Israeli cities located within territory that undisputedly is Israel's according to the international community.

The diplomatic sources also said earlier this U.S.-brokered month biweekly meetings between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas are being utilized to draft the outline of a permanent status deal ultimately yielding a Palestinian state scheduled to be aired in public at the November summit, which is being organized by the U.S.

Instead of a slow progression toward peace which will never work as the terrorists don't want peace, the goal is and end-round run around the process and move straight to the end, peace will be declared and the terrorists will be left scratching thier heads. Only, there's a big miscalculation, it won't bring peace, but an utter revoltion in the Muslim world. There are many who think we are quickly appraoching the prophecy of 2 billion people being wipded out, in fact, they think we are less than 12 months from a major catstrophic world wide conflict, are they right? I'm not sure. However, with the US helping to lead the push and now Tony Blair in his new role, and a potential win by Hellary appointing Bill Clinton as our Mideast ambassador, I think there is much reason for concern.

We are heading, IMHO, into the end which is going to come like a thief in the night.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; irael; israel; pope; templemount; vatican

1 posted on 08/27/2007 7:32:08 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Source? Or is this a vanity post?


2 posted on 08/27/2007 7:34:31 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: Scythian
pro-Caliphate demostration in the terrorist enclaves of Judea:



Free Version:

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm

Source

The Army Of Black Flags

The Mahdi’s ascendancy to power is said to be preceded by an army from the east who will be carrying black flags or banners of war.  Sheikh Kabbani states:

Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan will signify the appearance of the Mahdi is nigh.  Khorasan is in todays Iran, and some scholars have said that this hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia, i.e. in the direction of Khorasan, then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent. 17

Another tradition states that:

The Messenger of Allah said: The black banners will come from the East and their hearts will be as firm as iron.  Whoever hears of them should join them and give allegiance, even if it means crawling across snow. 18

In Islam there are two flags.  One is white and one is black.  Written across both flags in Arabic are the words, “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”.  The white flag is called Al-Liwaa and serves as the sign for the leader of the Muslim army and is the flag of the Islamic State.  The black flag is called Ar-Raya and is used by the Muslim army. It is also called the flag of jihad, and is carried into battle.  One flag is governmental and the other is a military flag. 19 When Muhammad returned to his home city of Mecca after being exiled for eight years, he returned as a conqueror.  With him were ten thousand Muslim soldiers.  They carried with them black flags.  On the flags was one word written in Arabic: punishment. 20 

I was once talking to a group of young Muslim men and asking them some questions.  I asked them if the obvious superior militaries of America and Israel compared to the militaries of any Islamic nations were a source of difficulty for many Muslims.  One of these men then became very angry at my question and snapped out, “You Americans and Zionists better get ready, because the black flags are coming!”  At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about.  Later I learned the meaning. 



3 posted on 08/27/2007 7:36:50 PM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Scythian
Full disclosure: I am a Roman Catholic, and I put this whole account up to pure rumor..

Catholics administering the Temple Mount, while far from ideal from an observant Jewish perspective, is inarguably better than Muslims administering it.

However, the Catholics administering it should come from an international panel of the Church and should not be selected from local clergy, since local clergy can be pressured by the Muslims who outnumber them so vastly.

4 posted on 08/27/2007 7:38:33 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Publius

This is from many source, radio, print, and internet, but Peres is going to see the Pope http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53106 and according to a broadcast its about a key tenant in the peace plan, overseeing the temple mount, if it needs to be marked vantiy then so be it. But I believe this is indeed the case.


5 posted on 08/27/2007 7:40:13 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: pacelvi
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/16984

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - A large number of people living in the Palestinian Territories do not think former British prime minister Tony Blair will do a good job as a peace envoy in the Middle East, according to a poll by Near East Consulting. 76 per cent of respondents think Blair will have a negative impact on Palestinian-Israeli relations.

Blair stepped down as Labour party leader and prime minister of Britain in June. He had served as head of government since May 1997, winning majority mandates in the 1997, 2001 and 2005 elections to the House of Commons.

Blair now represents The Quartet—which includes the United States, the United Nations (UN), the European Union (EU) and Russia—in the Middle East. Earlier this month, he toured the area seeking to revive peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians. Blair has said he expects his work to translate "fresh words" into "concrete action."

On Aug. 21, U.S. president George W. Bush called for an international conference for peace in the Middle East. Bush said the meeting would be open only to states that back the creation of a Palestinian state, reject violence and recognize Israel, adding, "The world can do more to build the conditions for peace." 50 per cent of respondents in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank support Bush’s initiative, while 50 per cent oppose it.
6 posted on 08/27/2007 7:45:46 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
West Bank and several Arab Israeli cities located within territory that undisputedly is Israel's according to the international community.

Has everyone forgotten the Israelis who were forcible removed from ostensibly "arab" territory? Why should Israel yield another square centimeter?

As for the Temple Mount, anyone should administer it other than the muslims, the UN or the French.
Anybody else. Peres should be replaced.

This is intolerable. Israel has been nickel and dimed into indefensibility.

7 posted on 08/27/2007 7:46:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Scythian
according to a broadcast its about a key tenant in the peace plan,...

Did you mean tenet? And if so, what tenet exactly?

8 posted on 08/27/2007 7:48:33 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

Publius6961, from what I heard I am very convinced that this is indeed going to take place, and very soon, look at my recent post.


9 posted on 08/27/2007 7:48:55 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Publius6961

Yes, tenent, In exchange for giving back nearly all the land Israel will once again have access to the template mount with the Catholic Church overseeing the entire template mount area, it will take UN backed troops however is my guess, they didn’t say that. Anyway, I suggest you follow this close ....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57325


10 posted on 08/27/2007 7:52:08 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Finally, just out today

http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3335&cid=2&sid=72

"Not satisfied with having given up Israel 's soul, Beilin gives up the body too. He not only returns Israel to its 1967 borders, arbitrary and indefensible, but he does so without any serious security safeguards. "

Now is the time to make your peace, the King is coming, surely he is not far off ...
11 posted on 08/27/2007 8:02:10 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

In a related note the Swiss guards announced they are going to change their uniform color to invisible.


12 posted on 08/27/2007 8:13:25 PM PDT by badpacifist ("I don't think you understand these boys killed my dog" Bob Lee Swagger)
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To: Scythian

Gee, I’ll ignore the end of the world stuff and ask, why do you think Israel would abandon half of the West Bank and turn the Temple Mount over to the Pope. Has this been reported somewhere? Do you have secret info?


13 posted on 08/27/2007 8:23:54 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: wideawake
If he receives a head wound and dies, and them comes back to life..that is unmistakably apocalyptic.
14 posted on 08/27/2007 8:38:59 PM PDT by mazza
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To: mazza

Why does anyone think the Muslims would accept the Pope as caretaker of a Muslim mosque?


15 posted on 08/27/2007 9:22:12 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: badpacifist

LOL!


16 posted on 08/27/2007 9:24:06 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Scythian

Thanks for the source.


17 posted on 08/27/2007 9:27:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alouette

Ping!


18 posted on 08/27/2007 9:28:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wideawake
Full disclosure: I am a Roman Catholic, and I put this whole account up to pure rumor.. Catholics administering the Temple Mount, while far from ideal from an observant Jewish perspective, is inarguably better than Muslims administering it. However, the Catholics administering it should come from an international panel of the Church and should not be selected from local clergy, since local clergy can be pressured by the Muslims who outnumber them so vastly.

This is the first I've heard of this specific proposal, but the Vatican has previously offered the initiative of Jerusalem becoming an international city, administered by Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The Israelis have already rejected this offer, and I doubt any muslim would agree, except as part of a stepping stone to full control.

19 posted on 08/27/2007 11:02:22 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Scythian

“Oversee” or “administer” the Temple Mount, including the Wailing Wall and the Mosque, the name of which I cannot pronounce?

That skirts the issue. Somebody has to have guns there to protect those who are there to worship from those who are their to blow things up. It takes more than metal detectors, C4 sniffing dogs, and all that. Somebody has to have weaponry — the Swiss Guard? They do have colorful uniforms (yellow and red, I believe) and what looks like small discs on a thin 6 ft stick.

“Administration” in such an area as this is for soldiers, not guards. I am willing to put some money that this does not come to fruition in the next 6 months. Any takers?


20 posted on 08/27/2007 11:25:23 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: Scythian
Yes, tenent,

No, tenet.

21 posted on 08/28/2007 3:28:36 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

bttt


22 posted on 08/28/2007 6:45:31 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: bajabaja
Somebody has to have weaponry — the Swiss Guard?

They have real, modern weaponry ... they're a top-notch executive protection force. There aren't anywhere near enough of them, though, to hold territory in the middle of muzzie-land.

23 posted on 08/28/2007 6:53:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Scythian

bttt


24 posted on 08/28/2007 8:53:42 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Salem; F15Eagle; Convert from ECUSA; SJackson

ping


25 posted on 08/28/2007 4:12:25 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Scythian
I think that most serious students of Biblical eschatology would be rather troubled to even find a yawn available for this non sequitur article/post.
26 posted on 08/28/2007 4:17:51 PM PDT by Radix (Mr. Natural says..."Be like two fried eggs. Keep your sunny side up.")
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To: Scythian

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1187779155395&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Peres to meet with pope, Italian PM next month

George Conger, Jerusalem Post correspondent , THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 25, 2007


Peace in the Middle East and the resolution of property and tax disputes with the Roman Catholic Church will top the agenda of President Shimon Peres’s September 6 meeting with Pope Benedict XVI.

On Friday, Vatican Radio announced the two will meet next month at Castel Gandalfo, the Pope’s summer palace outside Rome.

Peres will travel to Italy on September 5 and will also meet with his counterpart, President Giorgio Napolitano and Prime Minister Romano Prodi.

While the trip will be Peres’ first since assuming the Presidency, as foreign minister and prime minister the veteran politician has been a frequent guest of the Vatican. In April 2006, while out of public office, he had a private meeting with Pope Benedict to discuss the political situation in the region.

Benedict wrote Peres in July, congratulating him on his election and stating that he hoped his presidency would serve as a vehicle for peace.

In Nov 2005 Benedict met with then President Moshe Katsav in Rome and the Israeli leader extended a formal invitation to visit Israel.

Benedict responded positively, but no date has yet been set. A papal visit to Israel is understood to be contingent on the successful resolution of the long running legal dispute over the tax and property status of Catholic institutions in Israel.

The papal audience comes at the end of a summer of uneven Jewish-Catholic relations, and will take place three days after a meeting in Jerusalem of the joint Israeli-Vatican Bilateral Permanent Working Commission to resolve the property disputes.

Last month the Chief Rabbinate of Israel wrote Benedict asking for clarification on his July decision to permit wider use of the 1962 Latin ‘Tridentine’ rite, which includes Good Friday prayers for the “conversion of the Jews.” Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone later told reporters the conversion prayer question was under study.

Jewish groups have also expressed concern over the Pope’s August 5 meeting with Polish priest, Fr. Tadeusz Rydzyk, the director of Radio Maryja. The Council of Europe’s Commission on Racism and Intolerance criticized the station in 2005, saying it had been “openly inciting to anti-Semitism for several years.”

Polish newspapers reported Fr. Rydzyk had been permitted to kiss the Pope’s ring during an August audience. In response to questions raised by Jewish groups, the Vatican issued a statement on August 9 saying the “kiss” did not “imply any change in the Holy See’s well-known position on relations between Catholics and Jews.”

However, Vatican and Israeli officials say relations have never been better. On August 16, Oded Ben-Hur, the Israeli ambassador to the Vatican, told the Catholic News Service “officially and institutionally, relations are constantly improving.”


27 posted on 08/28/2007 4:41:13 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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The Israelis have already rejected this offer

As they should continue to do.
28 posted on 08/28/2007 5:01:33 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Esther Ruth; Salem; F15Eagle; ArrogantBustard; Salvation; wideawake; Alouette

I’d be very surprised: 1) if the Vatican accepted overseeing the Temple Mount, and 2) If the Vatican accepted such overseeing, that the muslim organization (Wafq?) that currently holds the keys, so to speak (Dayan let them have it back after the ‘67 war) would even permit any Christian church/organization to have any control.

I don’t know of any instance where islam every agreed to any non-muslim entity controlling any place where a muslim’s foot stood for 30 seconds without a war happening first. If Pope Benedict XVI doesn’t tell Peres “thanks, but no thanks”, the Wafq will kybash it. The muslims think the Temple Mount is theirs, and their “excavations” where they dump Jewish artifacts in the garbage to try and eliminate any traces of pre-muslim occupation of the Mount show that they would not plan on giving control of that area to anyone without a major rhubarb.


29 posted on 08/29/2007 5:12:17 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08! La Raza - the PLO of the Western Hemisphere)
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