Skip to comments.Peres on Sept 5th goes to Vatican to see if Catholic Church will oversee the Temple Mount
Posted on 08/27/2007 7:32:03 PM PDT by Scythian
Shimon Peres is going to see the Pope on September 5th to see if the Catholic Church will oversee the temple mount. The reason is the his plan to negotiate for sharing it with the Muslim as outlined in a final status deal with the Palestinians before an international conference in November.
Peres quietly drafted a plan for the Jewish state to evacuate and transfer to the Palestinians nearly the entire West Bank and several Arab Israeli cities located within territory that undisputedly is Israel's according to the international community.
The diplomatic sources also said earlier this U.S.-brokered month biweekly meetings between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas are being utilized to draft the outline of a permanent status deal ultimately yielding a Palestinian state scheduled to be aired in public at the November summit, which is being organized by the U.S.
Instead of a slow progression toward peace which will never work as the terrorists don't want peace, the goal is and end-round run around the process and move straight to the end, peace will be declared and the terrorists will be left scratching thier heads. Only, there's a big miscalculation, it won't bring peace, but an utter revoltion in the Muslim world. There are many who think we are quickly appraoching the prophecy of 2 billion people being wipded out, in fact, they think we are less than 12 months from a major catstrophic world wide conflict, are they right? I'm not sure. However, with the US helping to lead the push and now Tony Blair in his new role, and a potential win by Hellary appointing Bill Clinton as our Mideast ambassador, I think there is much reason for concern.
We are heading, IMHO, into the end which is going to come like a thief in the night.
Source? Or is this a vanity post?
The Mahdis ascendancy to power is said to be preceded by an army from the east who will be carrying black flags or banners of war. Sheikh Kabbani states:
Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan will signify the appearance of the Mahdi is nigh. Khorasan is in todays Iran, and some scholars have said that this hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia, i.e. in the direction of Khorasan, then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent. 17
Another tradition states that:
The Messenger of Allah said: The black banners will come from the East and their hearts will be as firm as iron. Whoever hears of them should join them and give allegiance, even if it means crawling across snow. 18
In Islam there are two flags. One is white and one is black. Written across both flags in Arabic are the words, There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger. The white flag is called Al-Liwaa and serves as the sign for the leader of the Muslim army and is the flag of the Islamic State. The black flag is called Ar-Raya and is used by the Muslim army. It is also called the flag of jihad, and is carried into battle. One flag is governmental and the other is a military flag. 19 When Muhammad returned to his home city of Mecca after being exiled for eight years, he returned as a conqueror. With him were ten thousand Muslim soldiers. They carried with them black flags. On the flags was one word written in Arabic: punishment. 20
I was once talking to a group of young Muslim men and asking them some questions. I asked them if the obvious superior militaries of America and Israel compared to the militaries of any Islamic nations were a source of difficulty for many Muslims. One of these men then became very angry at my question and snapped out, You Americans and Zionists better get ready, because the black flags are coming! At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about. Later I learned the meaning.
Catholics administering the Temple Mount, while far from ideal from an observant Jewish perspective, is inarguably better than Muslims administering it.
However, the Catholics administering it should come from an international panel of the Church and should not be selected from local clergy, since local clergy can be pressured by the Muslims who outnumber them so vastly.
This is from many source, radio, print, and internet, but Peres is going to see the Pope http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53106 and according to a broadcast its about a key tenant in the peace plan, overseeing the temple mount, if it needs to be marked vantiy then so be it. But I believe this is indeed the case.
Has everyone forgotten the Israelis who were forcible removed from ostensibly "arab" territory? Why should Israel yield another square centimeter?
As for the Temple Mount, anyone should administer it other than the muslims, the UN or the French.
Anybody else. Peres should be replaced.
This is intolerable. Israel has been nickel and dimed into indefensibility.
Did you mean tenet? And if so, what tenet exactly?
Publius6961, from what I heard I am very convinced that this is indeed going to take place, and very soon, look at my recent post.
Yes, tenent, In exchange for giving back nearly all the land Israel will once again have access to the template mount with the Catholic Church overseeing the entire template mount area, it will take UN backed troops however is my guess, they didn’t say that. Anyway, I suggest you follow this close ....
In a related note the Swiss guards announced they are going to change their uniform color to invisible.
Gee, I’ll ignore the end of the world stuff and ask, why do you think Israel would abandon half of the West Bank and turn the Temple Mount over to the Pope. Has this been reported somewhere? Do you have secret info?
Why does anyone think the Muslims would accept the Pope as caretaker of a Muslim mosque?
Thanks for the source.
This is the first I've heard of this specific proposal, but the Vatican has previously offered the initiative of Jerusalem becoming an international city, administered by Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The Israelis have already rejected this offer, and I doubt any muslim would agree, except as part of a stepping stone to full control.
“Oversee” or “administer” the Temple Mount, including the Wailing Wall and the Mosque, the name of which I cannot pronounce?
That skirts the issue. Somebody has to have guns there to protect those who are there to worship from those who are their to blow things up. It takes more than metal detectors, C4 sniffing dogs, and all that. Somebody has to have weaponry — the Swiss Guard? They do have colorful uniforms (yellow and red, I believe) and what looks like small discs on a thin 6 ft stick.
“Administration” in such an area as this is for soldiers, not guards. I am willing to put some money that this does not come to fruition in the next 6 months. Any takers?
They have real, modern weaponry ... they're a top-notch executive protection force. There aren't anywhere near enough of them, though, to hold territory in the middle of muzzie-land.
Peres to meet with pope, Italian PM next month
George Conger, Jerusalem Post correspondent , THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 25, 2007
Peace in the Middle East and the resolution of property and tax disputes with the Roman Catholic Church will top the agenda of President Shimon Peres’s September 6 meeting with Pope Benedict XVI.
On Friday, Vatican Radio announced the two will meet next month at Castel Gandalfo, the Pope’s summer palace outside Rome.
Peres will travel to Italy on September 5 and will also meet with his counterpart, President Giorgio Napolitano and Prime Minister Romano Prodi.
While the trip will be Peres’ first since assuming the Presidency, as foreign minister and prime minister the veteran politician has been a frequent guest of the Vatican. In April 2006, while out of public office, he had a private meeting with Pope Benedict to discuss the political situation in the region.
Benedict wrote Peres in July, congratulating him on his election and stating that he hoped his presidency would serve as a vehicle for peace.
In Nov 2005 Benedict met with then President Moshe Katsav in Rome and the Israeli leader extended a formal invitation to visit Israel.
Benedict responded positively, but no date has yet been set. A papal visit to Israel is understood to be contingent on the successful resolution of the long running legal dispute over the tax and property status of Catholic institutions in Israel.
The papal audience comes at the end of a summer of uneven Jewish-Catholic relations, and will take place three days after a meeting in Jerusalem of the joint Israeli-Vatican Bilateral Permanent Working Commission to resolve the property disputes.
Last month the Chief Rabbinate of Israel wrote Benedict asking for clarification on his July decision to permit wider use of the 1962 Latin ‘Tridentine’ rite, which includes Good Friday prayers for the “conversion of the Jews.” Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone later told reporters the conversion prayer question was under study.
Jewish groups have also expressed concern over the Pope’s August 5 meeting with Polish priest, Fr. Tadeusz Rydzyk, the director of Radio Maryja. The Council of Europe’s Commission on Racism and Intolerance criticized the station in 2005, saying it had been “openly inciting to anti-Semitism for several years.”
Polish newspapers reported Fr. Rydzyk had been permitted to kiss the Pope’s ring during an August audience. In response to questions raised by Jewish groups, the Vatican issued a statement on August 9 saying the “kiss” did not “imply any change in the Holy See’s well-known position on relations between Catholics and Jews.”
However, Vatican and Israeli officials say relations have never been better. On August 16, Oded Ben-Hur, the Israeli ambassador to the Vatican, told the Catholic News Service “officially and institutionally, relations are constantly improving.”
I’d be very surprised: 1) if the Vatican accepted overseeing the Temple Mount, and 2) If the Vatican accepted such overseeing, that the muslim organization (Wafq?) that currently holds the keys, so to speak (Dayan let them have it back after the ‘67 war) would even permit any Christian church/organization to have any control.
I don’t know of any instance where islam every agreed to any non-muslim entity controlling any place where a muslim’s foot stood for 30 seconds without a war happening first. If Pope Benedict XVI doesn’t tell Peres “thanks, but no thanks”, the Wafq will kybash it. The muslims think the Temple Mount is theirs, and their “excavations” where they dump Jewish artifacts in the garbage to try and eliminate any traces of pre-muslim occupation of the Mount show that they would not plan on giving control of that area to anyone without a major rhubarb.