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I agree with Mr. Patton entirely as we will never again be a truly FREE people for so long as we have an income tax and the IRS.
1 posted on 08/28/2007 4:39:20 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Man50D

PING!


2 posted on 08/28/2007 4:40:31 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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Instead, the Fair Tax would put us in control.

It's time to abolish the IRS! Fair Tax ping!
3 posted on 08/28/2007 4:44:06 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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I am not "for" the FAIR TAX but am going to have to accept it.

In a Socialist country (which we will be soon), only those with cash businesses and those "off the books" or on "tips" will be able to live half way decently. The FAIR tax will be excellent if Congress gets rid of the income tax LOL. How will they be able to resist continuing to tax the W-2 and 1099 tax payers?

No politician has ever met a tax they didn't like or couldn't subvert to keep themselves in office or their friends well heeled.

6 posted on 08/28/2007 4:55:18 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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Agreed. That's why I support the Fair Tax. Every one pays the SAME tax rate. No more taxing the rich more in the name of class warfare or leaving the poor off the tax rolls so the middle class is left with an increasingly heavier tax burden. A simple system even a schoolchild can understand. I do know why the elites hate it. They can no longer withhold people's paychecks and pretend they are doing us a big favor by giving us back a pittance every year. Abolishing the income tax, payroll and Social Security taxes would dramatically slash taxes across the board. Having one federal tax is vastly better than a mountain of them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 08/28/2007 4:57:09 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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the IRS is the equivalent of the ole KGB

It gives the gov’t a stranglehold on us all

We have the best opportunity since 1913 to get the power out of the politicians hands and back into ours.

The FAIR TAX will bring a true freedom for us as individuals and put the power back where it belongs - in the hands of We The People.

But just damn - if WE aren’t willing to fight for it, we’ll never get the chance again.

And we wont deserve it.

14 posted on 08/28/2007 5:22:30 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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Will opined that Huckabee's second place showing in the Iowa straw poll was even more amazing given the fact that "he supported a national sales tax of thirty percent, which means that if you buy a one million dollar house, you'll be writing a check to the government for three hundred thousand dollars." Of course, the others on the panel readily agreed.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Mr. Will is correct about the transaction details: If a retail transaction for a house occurred and the sale price was $1,000,000, then the buyer would have to pay $298,700 to the federal government for the FairTax on that transaction.

26 posted on 08/28/2007 5:40:28 PM PDT by snowsislander
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Great find Bigun. FairTax bump!!

http://www.fairtax.org


35 posted on 08/28/2007 5:55:25 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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Let’s tax at corporate rates all non profit organizations that have positive cash flows or capital gains in excess of current operating expenses. Between the universities and major charities that should cover the uninsureds and welfare.


36 posted on 08/28/2007 5:56:24 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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“The Fair Tax would replace all federal income taxes...”

Unless the XVI Amendment is repealed this is never going to happen. If the XVI Amendment is left in place some future Congress is going to pass legislation re-establishing an income tax.


46 posted on 08/28/2007 6:21:46 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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Tag for later


49 posted on 08/28/2007 6:32:01 PM PDT by Teflonic
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Too bad the headline didn’t say “The people must demand the FLAT tax”. If former communist countries can implement it with no problem, why can’t the greatest economic power in the world do it?


67 posted on 08/28/2007 7:58:11 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (We accommodate other cultures at the expense of ours.)
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Flat tax! Not Fairtax!


77 posted on 08/28/2007 9:44:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Just about the time muzzys finally take over and create dhimmi-merica, because people like this have their priorities so bass-ackwards..
93 posted on 08/29/2007 2:53:26 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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"Imagine paying the same price for something but having your entire paycheck to buy it."

AND getting $500/month in a prebate! AND a chicken in every pot!

I'm sorry. But imagining "paying the same price for something but having your entire paycheck to buy it" will be all that we do. If the author will lie about something this simple, how can he (or others) be expected to be trusted on any other point?

Do any Fair Tax supporters agree ith the author's statement? Where are the cries to "READ THE FAIR TAX PROPOSAL"?

106 posted on 08/29/2007 5:21:35 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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"And then there are the billions of dollars that flow untaxed through our economy today: drug dealers, prostitutes, pornographers, foreign tourists. Imagine how much revenue could be raised simply by taxing the things those people consume."

When drug dealers, prostitutes, pornographers, and foreign tourists buy something today, they pay taxes (corporate, employee withholding, FICA, etc.) that are contained and hidden in the purchase price. The Fair Tax pulls them out and makes them visible.

What an illegal, for example, doesn't pay today is income tax. BUT, if we could somehow force him to pay that, he'd simply raise the price he charges for his service, meaning those who use his service (ie., us) would end up paying his tax for him.

Under the Fair Tax, the situation is similar. Let's see a show of hands of everyone who thinks the drug dealer will add the Fair Tax to the price of cocaine and pass that money on to the IRS. Ergo, there will still be cheaters.

107 posted on 08/29/2007 5:32:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Idiocy.....the Fair Tax would DESTROY RETAIL!! NO ONE will pay 24% tax on furniture, jewelry, etc.......a FLAT TAX is the best way to go.


120 posted on 08/29/2007 6:27:22 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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I saw Bortz on C-span earlier, Fair Tax or the NATIONAL SALES TAX is as big a scam as the IRS.

It canibalizes all the finacial planning. Roth IRAs are useless and the tax paid becomes DOUBLE taxation.

WHO in the government decides our PREBATE?

NOTHING will change except a better tool for class warefare.

FLAT income tax first THEN look to shift it to something else.

You also have to abolish property and local taxes.

Of course USER FEES will sky rocket, we must feed the government beaurogluttons.


183 posted on 08/29/2007 9:59:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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The People Must Demand The Fair Tax National Federal Sales Tax

There that is truth in advertising.

Hold onto your wallet folks, the government just said it is here to make things better...
185 posted on 08/29/2007 10:04:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Better than a Fair Tax is the Flat tax.


217 posted on 08/29/2007 2:55:05 PM PDT by duckln
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The people should demand the flat tax. This is an election gimmick.


270 posted on 08/30/2007 9:37:29 PM PDT by spyone
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