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Children? Or are we 'adult-centered'?
Daily Herald ^ | 8/30/07 | Ben Arnoldy

Posted on 08/30/2007 9:06:05 AM PDT by qam1

As more Americans decide not to have children and boomers are living longer, we are becoming a more adult-centered nation.

Kids just aren't as big a part of American life as they used to be.

Americans' child-free years are expanding as empty-nest seniors live longer and more young adults delay -- or skip -- childbearing.

In 1960, nearly half of all households had children under 18. By 2000, the portion had fallen to less than a third, and in a few short years it's projected to drop to a quarter, according to a report from the National Marriage Project.

Suburban households trail national trends.

More than half of all households in DuPage, Kane, Lake and McHenry counties had a child under 18 years old living at home in 2005, U.S. Census figures show. Only Cook County dipped below the 50 percent threshold.

That the shift toward child-free homes has not yet gained momentum locally is not surprising, experts caution, as many families with children settle in suburban neighborhoods with larger homes, good schools and green space.

Yet suburban families are not exempt from the challenges of having -- or not having -- children.

Youngsters increasingly take a back seat in perceptions of marriage's purpose.

Since 1990, the percentage of people who said children were very important to a successful marriage tumbled from 65 percent to 41 percent, according to a Pew Research report.

For some child-free Americans, their growing numbers argue for greater equality with parents in government benefits, the workplace and social esteem. That worries family researchers and child advocates who see in the same trends a move to a more "adult-centered culture" -- one that threatens the strength of families and the social compact to provide for the next generation.

"We are getting much more of an adult-oriented culture than has ever existed arguably, and that could prove problematic," says David Popenoe, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University in New Jersey. "You can envision a society in which children are kind of an afterthought and not in the interests of society as a whole."

He sees the priorities reflected on television: Almost gone are family sitcoms in favor of a generation of programs following the model of "Friends" and "Sex and the City."

And he worries about a shift at the ballot box. In New Jersey, voters rejected nearly half of school budgets in the state last year -- the lowest passage rate in more than a decade, according to a report from Popenoe's center.

In Illinois -- where homeowners on average fund a third of local school revenues -- swaying voter support to increase tax rates is increasingly difficult.

In April, eight suburban school districts sought higher tax rates. Voters rejected all but three. Two years earlier, half the 10 bids to increase school districts' tax rates gained the necessary voter support.

With parents a smaller presence at the polls -- just under 40 percent in the 2004 presidential election -- some child advocates say it's getting harder to win empathy on issues.

"It's not: Do people love children? It's: Are they thinking about them?" says Robert Fellmeth, director of the Children's Advocacy Institute at the University of California San Diego School of Law.

In California, older adults are not passing along opportunities to the next generation, Fellmeth said. He decries the lack of universal health coverage for children, low funding for foster-child families, and skyrocketing university tuition.

Fellmeth also sees children being jammed into extreme poverty by the growing trend of out-of-wedlock births -- which now stand at 37 percent. The Pew report found growing acceptance among younger people for childbearing outside marriage.

When child-free adults and their advocates look at the political and cultural landscape, however, they still see inequalities that favor married families and children despite the demographic shifts away from Ozzie and Harriet's day.

A major flash point: workplace benefits. Family-friendly policies such as flex leave and day-care options not only allocate more of the benefits pie to workers with children, but child-free workers also can be left picking up the slack for co-workers on family leave, says Thomas Coleman with Unmarried America, a nonprofit information service about unmarried adults based in Glendale, Calif.

Myriad government policies, he says, leave the child-free feeling like second-class citizens -- everything from the exclusion of siblings under the federal Family and Medical Leave Act to greater death benefits given to families by Social Security and the U.S. military.

But with only 35 percent of the U.S. workforce having a child under 18 at home, businesses have begun shifting to more neutral work-life programs. They include the same amount of paid time off for all workers, cafeteria-style benefits and generic benefits like gym memberships that all workers can use.

"No one is advocating ignoring the needs of children or those who are raising children. That's important to everyone in society whether you have children or not, but things have to be more balanced," Coleman says.

Part of that balancing act, he says, is taking into account the 19 percent of women in their early 40s who are childless. That's up from 9.5 percent 26 years ago.

The birth rate among twenty- and thirty-somethings nationwide was 108 per 1,000 women in 2005.

Women of the same age living in Cook County had a lower birth rate, 2005 Census figures show. DuPage, Kane, Lake and McHenry counties all eclipsed the nation's fertility rate -- in some cases, dramatically. In McHenry County, for example, 142 of every 1,000 women from 20 to 34 years old had a child.

Women are marrying later, devoting more attention to careers and waiting longer to have children, research shows, which sometimes results in them not having children at all.

Other times the choice is deliberate. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, 6.2 percent of women in 2002 between ages 15 and 44 reported that they don't expect to have children in their lifetime -- up from 4.9 percent in 1982.

It's not a widely respected choice.

"There is a social stigma, but I think it's not equally applied across the country and not equally applied to both genders," says Vincent Ciaccio, a spokesman for No Kidding!, an international group for people without children based in Vancouver, British Columbia. "I am aware of some women who just don't mention they are child-free in mixed company."

Ciaccio conducted one of the few surveys of the child-free in the United States, involving 450 individuals. The more common motivations included concerns for personal space and time, and no feeling of a compelling reason to have kids.

Among married couples in Ciaccio's survey, 62 percent said they were concerned children would undermine their relationship with their spouse.

Preserving spousal companionship ranked high in another survey of 171 child-free individuals that was conducted by Laura Scott, who is working on a documentary about being childless by choice.

In dozens of sit-down interviews with childless individuals, Scott also found generally high support for public education and community programs for children.

Ciaccio's survey highlighted certain causes among the childless, including government subsidies for birth control, holding parents responsible for their children and the establishment of child-free areas in restaurants, movie theaters, and apartments.

Also of great importance: simple respect for their decision.

"People who don't have children and parents have a lot in common. They are not natural antagonists," says Ciaccio. "If parents respect the choices of people who have not had kids, and people who have not had kids respect the choices of parents, then we can all move forward together for mutual benefit."


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Notice the Libs in this article are mostly upset about losing to ability to use children as an excuse to raise taxes/increase government
1 posted on 08/30/2007 9:06:08 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1

This is being counter-balanced by all the adults who refuse to grow up.


2 posted on 08/30/2007 9:09:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: qam1

Both partners having to work full time just to pay the bills makes it harder for people my age to have kids.


3 posted on 08/30/2007 9:09:32 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: qam1

I don’t blame young people for not wanting kids and having to put them in our dumbed down schools. The teachers in our schools today don’t care about the kids and rip off the state for most of its money. I think we would find better education if people had to pay for their childs education and those that don’t have children, shouldn’t pay anything. Those that had to pay would make sure they would get their moneys worth.


4 posted on 08/30/2007 9:09:35 AM PDT by RC2
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; InShanghai; xrp; ...
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5 posted on 08/30/2007 9:11:20 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: RC2

You make a really good point. This is why homeschooling is becoming a gargantuan hit and will continue to do so.


6 posted on 08/30/2007 9:11:48 AM PDT by xc1427 (It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Midnight Oil (Power and the Passion))
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To: qam1

“In dozens of sit-down interviews with childless individuals, Scott also found generally high support for public education and community programs for children. “

Funny how it’s the childless couples who want the most government intrusion into child rearing.


7 posted on 08/30/2007 9:11:56 AM PDT by Dreagon
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To: qam1
child-free workers also can be left picking up the slack for co-workers on family leave, says Thomas Coleman with Unmarried America, a nonprofit information service about unmarried adults based in Glendale, Calif.

This guy is a gay-rights activist. It doesn't note that in the article but should be clarified when considering his views. He's one of the 'old school' anti-marriage crowd (lawyer).
8 posted on 08/30/2007 9:20:02 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: qam1

I think society should be adult-centered, not child-centered. “Back in my day,” parents were not so uber-involved in all the extra-curricular activities of their children, like most parents are today.

My BIL just moved his daughter into college last week. He says he will have a very difficult time with empty-nest syndrome, because he and his wife spent so much of their time going to all of her basketball and volleyball games, which were several nights a week. Now I supppose he and his wife are just going to stare at each other across the table, not knowing what to talk about.

A healthy family is one where the marriage is at the center, not the kids. Just my humble opinion. :-)


9 posted on 08/30/2007 9:22:34 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: qam1
And he worries about a shift at the ballot box. In New Jersey, voters rejected nearly half of school budgets in the state last year -- the lowest passage rate in more than a decade

Here in New Jersey, we've taken to voting down school budgets because we're voting against high taxes. We're not voting against children.

The article missed that point. In NJ we pay the highest property taxes in the nation (hence my screenname), and the property taxes consist mostly of school tax.

10 posted on 08/30/2007 9:23:23 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Abigail Adams
A healthy family is one where the marriage is at the center, not the kids. Just my humble opinion. :-)

Amen! When parents make children (as opposed to the marriage) the center of their lives, it puts a huge burden on the kids, from childhood through adulthood.

11 posted on 08/30/2007 9:26:13 AM PDT by Finny (Only Saps Buy Global Warming)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Quite true. There are a lot of adults who don’t want to grow up and put the burden of being adult on their cihldren.


12 posted on 08/30/2007 9:28:30 AM PDT by Niuhuru (businesslinkshere.com)
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To: Niuhuru

There are alot of adults that SHOULD NOT have children.


13 posted on 08/30/2007 9:36:03 AM PDT by shbox
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To: shbox
Now now, don’t upset the theocrats. Don’t you know that is G-D’s command to go forth and multiply?!?!?! Pretty soon the theocrats will be all over you saying “what kind of a selfish, abortionist, euthanasia preaching Nazi *ARE* you- don’t you know the Muslims and Mexicans are breeding like crazy?!?!?!?” Besides, according to the Official Religion all childfree couples are godless, lazy, self-centered sinners who don’t want to grow up. Get with the program!
/s
14 posted on 08/30/2007 9:46:18 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (When the government fears the People= Liberty. When the People fear the Government =Tyranny)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I didn’t really grow up until I had a child. Childlessness leads to childishness.


15 posted on 08/30/2007 9:47:40 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: mysterio
Both partners having to work full time just to pay the bills makes it harder for people my age to have kids.

When we were first married, my lovely bride and I knew we couldn't afford kids. My sister-in-law commented that if we waited until we can afford them, we might never have them.

Our first child was born nine days after our first anniversary. We struggled for decades on my job plus Mrs. Chandler's providing day care for other folks. We drove some pretty crappy cars over the years. Our home was small. We didn't have the latest toys or go on expensive vacations. But our kids all turned out great and we have a very close extended family.

It's all in your priorities.

16 posted on 08/30/2007 9:52:36 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: qam1
When I was a kid, there weren't that many other kids to play with, Annie Hall beat Star Wars for an Oscar and TV was full of free love and cigarette and liqour ads.

When I was in college, it was all AIDs and STDs and a nice recession when I graduated. Liqour and cigarette ads were banned.

Now that I'm an adult and have kids, there aren't that many other couples with kids, people don't want them around and TV is all Viagra and retirement ads....

That's what it is to be a Gen-Xer.

17 posted on 08/30/2007 9:59:27 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Well....I went out to lunch last week to a pizza joint. As soon as I walked in, I noticed 15 to 20 children in the place. I turned right around and went somewhere else. I don’t hate children. I just don’t particularly like them. Not all the time....


18 posted on 08/30/2007 10:01:17 AM PDT by shbox
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To: Finny; Abigail Adams
A healthy family is one where the marriage is at the center, not the kids. Just my humble opinion. :-)

Amen! When parents make children (as opposed to the marriage) the center of their lives, it puts a huge burden on the kids, from childhood through adulthood.

You're both close to the truth. There is a time for everything. When children arrive, the focus of the relationship naturally shifts to them because by their very nature they require the attention. But the parents shouldn't substitute the childrens' lives for their own. Part of child rearing is modeling a healthy marriage. And I agree that parents who are emotional parasites of their children do no one any good.

19 posted on 08/30/2007 10:02:29 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: shbox
I don’t hate children.

I think kids are great, but sometimes I prefer peace and quiet, too.

20 posted on 08/30/2007 10:03:42 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: qam1

I am 39, have been married to the same beautiful woman for 18 years. we have 6 children; 16, 13, 9, 7, 4, 14mos. We homeschool and all of my children except th eyoungest are involved in city athletics the oldest palys varsity baseball for a local christian high school. We will always have kids in the house.


21 posted on 08/30/2007 10:09:04 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: Philistone; Niuhuru

When we saw grow up do we mean being responsible or being a stodgy, dull grown up? We do the responsibility part, but I’m known to be a bit childlike.


22 posted on 08/30/2007 10:13:47 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Finny

“Amen! When parents make children (as opposed to the marriage) the center of their lives, it puts a huge burden on the kids, from childhood through adulthood.”

That’s a very interesting insight! You are right, it would place a burden on the kids. Kinda like they have to keep tap-dancing—doing well in sports, getting good grades, giving the parents stuff to brag about—in order to keep the parents occupied and happy.


23 posted on 08/30/2007 10:22:35 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Jeff Chandler

“And I agree that parents who are emotional parasites of their children do no one any good.”

That’s a great comment! I would be interested to hear examples of this. Do you mean, for example, parents who get an ego boost from bragging about their kids’ sports?


24 posted on 08/30/2007 10:25:14 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Armed Civilian

“We will always have kids in the house.”

No you won’t, unless your adult children live with you after they are married, or unless you keep having babies well into your 70s! :-)


25 posted on 08/30/2007 10:26:31 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: qam1

To me this is not so much about children as it is about the quality of younger women.

Just listen to Dr. Laura for a few weeks to get an understanding of the spoiled nature of young ladies.


26 posted on 08/30/2007 10:36:20 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Abigail Adams
I would be interested to hear examples of this. Do you mean, for example, parents who get an ego boost from bragging about their kids’ sports?

LOL! Well, a little bragging is normal.

27 posted on 08/30/2007 10:39:49 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: HungarianGypsy

My statement was a gross over-generalization, but to me, being an adult means the ability to postpone immediate pleasures for future ones, being self-reliant and for taking responsibility for ones actions. Having a kid isn’t a necessary condition, but it does concentrate the mind most singularly on the aforementioned.


28 posted on 08/30/2007 10:49:59 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: Abigail Adams

>>A healthy family is one where the marriage is at the center, not the kids.<<

You are absolutely right. My wife and I say, “We were a couple before we had kids, and nothing should change.”

Relationships are doomed once parents start putting their children between them.

Having said that though, this article is slightly scary. As our society becomes more and more selfish, we’ll see fewer and fewer kids.

We got married young and started raising children young. Never regretted a moment of it!


29 posted on 08/30/2007 10:53:19 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: Abigail Adams

Children and Grand children


30 posted on 08/30/2007 11:01:49 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: RC2

Shame on you for using common sense!


31 posted on 08/30/2007 11:03:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: mysterio

“Both partners having to work full time just to pay the bills makes it harder for people my age to have kids.”

Harder, but not impossible.

In WWII, women were encouraged to work as an act of patriotism. Then in the sixties, Betty Friedan decided that staying home could not possibly be fulfilling and wrote a seductive book that got women who fell for her claptrap out of the house in droves. The instant women controlled their own pocketbooks, amazingly (/sarc), the cost of everything increased just because it could. That caused even more women to enter the workforce because those women who hadn’t fallen into the trap couldn’t afford anything anymore.

Considering the massive negative effect this has had on society, maybe it would be an act of patriotism for moms to stay home. Why? Just think. Overnight it would decrease our gasoline usage by more than half and terrorists would not be financing their operations with our money. Oh...and it would decrease our carbon footprint. ;)


32 posted on 08/30/2007 11:35:32 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: qam1

“Women are marrying later, devoting more attention to careers and waiting longer to have children, research shows, which sometimes results in them not having children at all.”

National suicide.


33 posted on 08/30/2007 11:39:28 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bump!


34 posted on 08/30/2007 11:40:34 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

I joke with people and say that it becomes 1952 when you cross the threshold of my house. My wife was raised by her grandmother, and holds a lot of those “old-school” Biblical ideals as to how a wife should be.

We homeschool, have only one vehicle, don’t take expensive vacations, have a small & modest home, and don’t eat out or entertain very often. We cut corners and save, but it’s worth it.

It’s a countless blessing to have a low-maintenance helpmeet who shares a love for children and the way things ‘ought to be’.


35 posted on 08/30/2007 11:48:30 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Good comments! Except...

Are you calling me selfish for not having children? I’ve never understood that argument. Maybe it’s because parents feel they are sacrificing so much for their kids that they can’t stand the thought of someone else not having to make those same sacrifices? Then that would simply be jealousy and self-righteousness.


36 posted on 08/30/2007 11:53:10 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

“I think society should be adult-centered, not child-centered. “Back in my day,” parents were not so uber-involved in all the extra-curricular activities of their children, like most parents are today.”

Agree strongly with you. It’s called “accessibility time.” In other words, a parent is around someplace, but not involved in or directing childplay. The child has a sense of security just knowing a parent is within calling distance. So-called quality time is good if not overdone. Children need to practice the good examples they get from their parents away from their parents. Like solving disputes. Nowadays, adults interfere and control that process and kids aren’t learning it how to do it themselves. Now we have anger management classes to make up for what they never were allowed to learn.


37 posted on 08/30/2007 11:53:41 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: qam1
I am not sure if they haven’t selected the data to match there story. In 1985 the number of children per household was less. They are taking 1960 which is still in the baby boomer years and comparing it to now. Family size went way down in the 1980’s and is back on the rise now.
38 posted on 08/30/2007 11:56:49 AM PDT by poinq
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Amen!


39 posted on 08/30/2007 11:56:54 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: shbox
Well....I went out to lunch last week to a pizza joint. As soon as I walked in, I noticed 15 to 20 children in the place. I turned right around and went somewhere else.

I go to restaurants that have no "family specials."

And when I go on vacation, I look for the places that the NAACP is boycotting.

40 posted on 08/30/2007 1:10:44 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: HIDEK6

places like Chuck E Cheese are like hell for me.

the NAACP thing ~ sounds like a good idea. I sold my home and moved out because of “Urban Development” and section8 vouchers taking over the neighborhood.


41 posted on 08/30/2007 1:41:23 PM PDT by shbox
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To: HungarianGypsy

I mena the responsibility part and there’s nothing wrong wit hbeing childliike either. By childish I mean the tendency to refuse to face the reality of one’s situation and a willingness to protect and guide one’s children.

A lot of parents have children and then decide to get involved with unsuitable people who negatively affect the future and ruin the child’s life.


42 posted on 08/30/2007 1:54:31 PM PDT by Niuhuru (businesslinkshere.com)
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To: Niuhuru

” mena the responsibility part and there’s nothing wrong wit hbeing childliike either. By childish I mean the tendency to refuse to face the reality of one’s situation and a willingness to protect and guide one’s children.”

I mean the responsibility part and there’s nothing wrong with being childlike either. By childish I mean the tendency to refuse to face the reality of one’s situation and a willingness to protect and guide one’s children.


43 posted on 08/30/2007 1:58:42 PM PDT by Niuhuru (businesslinkshere.com)
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To: qam1

How come more and more of my behavior is being controlled by government as if I were a damn child?


44 posted on 08/30/2007 2:02:53 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Abigail Adams; Finny
Finny -->“Amen! When parents make children (as opposed to the marriage) the center of their lives, it puts a huge burden on the kids, from childhood through adulthood.”

Abigail Adams --> That’s a very interesting insight! You are right, it would place a burden on the kids. Kinda like they have to keep tap-dancing—doing well in sports, getting good grades, giving the parents stuff to brag about—in order to keep the parents occupied and happy.

Have been thinking all afternoon about this and have concluded that there is a lot of truth to your comments. We stood by 2 basic precepts with our kids.

#1 ~ A parent's first responsibility is to protect their child from the world.
The second is to protect the world from their child.

#2 ~ It's the parent's job to comfort their child, not vice-versa.
Hopefully, when they're grown they will return the favor.

While it's important to instill confidence in the child's ability to win and do well, living vicariously through them as if they are an extension of yourself will certainly wreck a marriage.

45 posted on 08/30/2007 3:35:20 PM PDT by b9
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To: Abigail Adams

No, people who don’t have children because they want to have their career/vacation/house/jet skis first. Those who put kids ‘on hold’ because they want material things instead is selfish. It’s about priorities.

Everyone is given by God a natural drive to procreate. Many who choose not to are suppressing that natural impulse. I find that wierd.


46 posted on 08/30/2007 3:48:08 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: HungarianGypsy

>>We do the responsibility part, but I’m known to be a bit childlike<<

Childlike is good!
Childish is stupid.

I am childlike in many ways. I have lots of simple fun.
My sisters are childish and most of their grown children ignore them and love me.

The last baby born was named after me.


47 posted on 08/30/2007 4:12:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: qam1

I work with children all day long as an English teacher in a high school. One thing is certain: a fairly large minority of students in my class come from families with parents who are unwilling or unable to act like adults. I used to joke that I understood being a teenager, since I was one for 20 years (*cymbal crash*) - a true enough expression, considering my wayward youth in the late 60s and 70s - but I’m now seeing men and women in their 40s and 50s (and one memorable a**h*l* in his 60s) who are for all intents aged teenagers, with all of the problems of teenagers, such as lack of self-control, narcissism, and neurotic self-doubt. (My old ninth-grade English teacher would go crazy trying to diagram that last sentence.)

In my case, having a son powerfully imposed on me a sense of maturity and age that was missing before his birth. No wonder a lot of us don’t want kids.


48 posted on 08/30/2007 4:30:53 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

“Everyone is given by God a natural drive to procreate. Many who choose not to are suppressing that natural impulse. I find that wierd.”

When God was giving out that “natural drive” he must have missed me. I don’t have it. It takes quite a bit of courage to search your soul and realize you don’t have that desire, and then to make the right decision based on that knowledge. It would have been selfish for me to try to conform to society’s expectations and have kids that I didn’t want, making those kids and myself miserable.

Sure, it seems weird. I feel weird. But I am a Christian, read the Bible and pray daily. My husband and I spent several years praying and soul-searching about this. God knows how he created me, and he did not give me the desire to have kids. In fact, I often thank him for the fact that we have no kids!

The reason for my choice was NOT about careers or vacations or a house or a jet ski. We live in a small house, haven’t been on vacation in several years, don’t own a jet ski or any other expensive toys, and I am not working right now. My choice was based on prayer and the desires of my heart.

Just because you don’t feel the same way I do, or don’t understand how I feel, does not make you right and me wrong. Different strokes, you know!


49 posted on 08/30/2007 4:34:42 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: qam1
That's what I saw and if you know very many liberals you know they are all running these programs and teaching in the schools.

Ooops, looks like they've done a great job of teaching feminism, liberalism, environmentalism, no God, abortion as a right, and it's all about me.

50 posted on 08/30/2007 4:41:07 PM PDT by tiki
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