Posted on 09/02/2007 9:22:17 AM PDT by Louisiana 1776
Mary Mostert Mary Mostert September 1, 2007
There are only two people on the planet earth who really know what actually happened in the Minneapolis Airport men's restroom in June — Senator Larry Craig and Sgt. David Karsnia. One of them is lying, but so far only Sen. Craig has been tagged as the liar. However, now that we have the transcript of the police interview, it appears not only to me but to others that it isn't the Senator who is the problem here. Sgt. Karsnia seemed absolutely determined to try to take down the Senator.
Another point that makes me think it is not Sen. Craig who is lying is that he is 62 years old and well known. Homosexuals that prowl public toilets looking for sex with strangers, as Sen. Craig is accused of doing, simply do not live to be 62 and don't prowl where they could be easily recognized. The average life expectancy of a homosexual male in the USA is 41. However, homosexuals who prowl public bathrooms usually have hundreds of sex partners and die long before they reach the age of sixty. The famous Aids Memorial Quilt, the history of the San Francisco homosexual community and several medical studies indicate the life expectancy of people who do what Sen. Craig is accused of doing, i.e. soliciting homosexual sex from strangers, is 35.7 to 39 years.
A number of my readers have observed that they have serious doubts about it being Sen. Craig being the liar after learning a little bit about Sgt. David Karsnia by reading my last article, Airport Toilets, Suitcases, Homosexual Signals and the Law, and the transcripts of Karsnia's statement and interview with the senator.
One suggestion, from a 22 year police veteran, was to require David Karsnia to take a polygraph. He tells me that if Karsnia refused to take a polygraph, he would be dismissed from his job. Karsnia's fourth sentence in the interview transcript was:
"I can bring you to jail."
Senator Craig's response was "Don't do that. You solicited me."
Karsnia not only did not refute Craig's statement, he responded, "Okay. We're going to get, We're going to get into that."
He didn't ever come back to Senator Craig's charge that Karsnia, who was not in uniform, had solicited him. The police interview quickly deteriorated into an argument as to whether or not Senator Craig had used his left hand or his right hand when, he said, he picked up a piece of paper, and when, Karsnia said he put his hand under the stall wall. That discussion was as follows:
LC: I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.
DK: Okay. Was your was your palm down or up when you were doing that?
This was followed by a discussion in which Karsnia claimed "it's hard to describe here on tape but actually what I saw was your fingers come underneath the stalls, you're actually touching the bottom of the stall divider." Sen. Craig responded that he didn't recall that and didn't believe he did that. That was followed by the following exchange:
DK: I saw, I saw
LC: I don't do those things.
DK: I saw your left hand and I could see the gold wedding ring when it when it went across. I could see that. On your left hand, I could see that.
LC: Wait a moment, my left hand was over here.
DK: I saw there's a...
LC: My right hand was next to you.
DK: I could tell it with my ah, I could tell it was your left hand because your thumb was positioned in a faceward motion. Your thumb was on this side, not on this side.
LC: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.
DK: But I'm telling you that I could see that so I know that's your left hand. Also I could see a gold ring on this finger, so that's obvious it was the left hand.
LC: Yeah, okay. My left hand was in the direct opposite of the stall from you.
Karsnia then asked the Senator "You, you travel through here frequently correct?" Craig said he did, Then Karsnia asked:
DK: Have you been successful in these bathrooms here before?
LC: I go to that bathroom regularly
DK I mean for any type of other activities.
LC: No. Absolutely not. I don't seek activity in bathrooms.
DK: It's embarrassing.
LC: Well it's embarrassing for both.. I'm not gonna fight you.
DK: I know you're not going to fight me. But that's not the point. I would respect you and I still respect you. I don't disrespect you but I'm disrespected right now and I'm not trying to act like I have all kinds of power or anything, but you're sitting here lying to a police officer What Karsnia did at that point was to accuse Sen. Craig of lying because he refused to "confess" to doing something he claims he did not do. Karsnia then tried to browbeat him into making the "confession" he was demanding:
DK: I am trained in this and I know what I am doing. And I say you put your hand under there and you're going to sit there and...
LC: I admit I put my hand down.
DK: You put your hand and rubbed it on the bottom of the stall with your left hand.
LC: No. Wait a moment.
DK: And I, I'm not dumb, you can say I don't recall...
LC: If I had turned sideways, that was the only way I could get my left hand over there.
DK: it's not that hard for me to reach. (inaudible) it's not that hard. I see it happen every day out here now.
LC: (inaudible) you do. All right.
DK: I just, I just, I guess, I guess I'm gonna say I'm just disappointed in you sir. I'm just really am. I expect this from the guy that we get out of the hood. I mean, people vote for you.
LC: Yes, they do. (inaudible)
DK: unbelievable, unbelievable.
LC: I'm a respectable person and I don't do these kinds of...
DK: And (inaudible) respect right now though
LC: But I didn't use my left hand.
DK I thought that you...
LC: I reached down with my right hand like this to pick up a piece of paper.
DK: Was your gold ring on your right hand at anytime today.
LC: Of course not, try to get it off, look at it.
DK: Okay. Then it was your left hand, I saw it with my own eyes.
LC: All right, you saw something that didn't happen.
DK: Embarrassing, embarrassing. No wonder why we're going down the tubes.
This smacks of a political arrest by Karsnia. Karsnia repeatedly reveals utter contempt for Senator Craig — ending with what is really a disparaging crack about the people who voted for him in Idaho. If this was an isolated incident, we might think Karsnia was just having a bad day. However, the abuse of violinist Stephen Orsak by Karsnia and two other Minneapolis Airport Policemen and the "not guilty" decision of a judge and jury when Orsnak took them to court makes me think there is something that needs investigating in good old liberal Minneapolis.
It’s over.
Craig was done in solely by his own behavior. The rest is irrelevant.
True but when you are on a sex sting op, everything you see and do is sex based so the officer was already focused on that and looked at everything with this point of view.
The republican party is in serious trouble right now.
Craig was either lying when he signed his plea agreeing to be convicted and/or he is lying now saying he’s not guilty. In either case, he’s proven to be a liar. And as was already mentioned, it’s over.
But, then again, wouldn't the bad guys figure out who he was after a while?
Far as I know, Craig has not said the policeman lied.
If there is a case to be made on Craig’s behalf, it’s for him to do so, and so far he hasn’t.
Whether or not Craig has acted like a guilty man, is open to dispute. But he sure hasn’t acted like an innocent one. Pleading guilty to a lesser charge without much of a push, and then resigning from the US Senate about as readily; would you say he’s just shy or easily manipulated?
If the cops set up a DUI checkpoint, stats are kept and published. Where does one go to get the fagola stats that must be kept at the FUI checkpoints?
The police tactics seem somewhat unfair - playie footsie is hardly illegal. If they catch two guys in a stall it is one thing but hardly seems fair to charge someone for making goo goo eyes and playing footsie.
Ick.
Let it go.
How would he know?
Info here:
http://wcco.com/local/local_story_243183246.html
“Of the 40 airport arrests about half exposed themselves or communicated clear intent. In the other half, just a tap of a toe and a nod could get someone arrested.”
This is really sad. Such a denial of reality.
Face it, folks, there’s a lot of perverts and sexual miscreants in the GOP, from Craig to Vitter to Ken Mehlman to (probably) Lindsay Graham, and it’s pathetic to watch people dance around saying this cop is a bad guy, everyone reaches for imaginary toilet paper squares lying on the floor next to the toilet, and tapping the guy in the next stall’s foot is simply a way of saying “Hey! How ‘bout those Red Sox!”
Give it up...the guy was cruising for homo sex, and thank God he’s gone.
Ed
I listened to the tape of the interview and I am not convinced Craig lied. http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=359278
I’m not defending him, I just think there’s been a quick rush to judgment and acceptance of the cop’s story.
If he had used the Clinton defense, it would have been Craig's word against the officer's word--with absolutely NO proof.
Heck, Clinton turned our nation's highest office into his "VERY OWN PERSONAL MASSAGE PARLOR" with a 22-year old, low-level, star-struck, flunkie who was also a subordinate--and he stayed in office! Amazing.
Agreed, it’s totally inappropriate to arrest a person for nothing more than foot tapping. I don’t care what it signals to the cop, an idiot (the standard for idiot being, someone who’d plead guilty and quit the Senate if he thinks he’s innocent) might just have tapped his foot to act silly, or because he was tipsy, or for some other reason he didn’t want to admit at the time. One shouldn’t make an arrest over it, much less surrender a career.
But Craig had the choices and if he is truly innocent he is abysmally stupid and/or cowardly.
If he’d just said “see you in court” they would most likely have dropped all charges.
” Sgt. Karsnia is paid by the police Department to sit in
a stall in the men’s room all day, like a spider waiting
for the flies.
The Baron von Richthoven of the Minneapolis Bathroom
Patrol...
My general philosophy on public restrooms was summed up by the late Derek Jackson, the Oxford professor and jockey, in his advice to a Frenchman about to visit Britain. “Never go to a public lavatory in London,” warned Professor Jackson. ‘I always pee in the street. You may be fined a few pounds for committing a nuisance, but in a public lavatory you risk two years in prison because a policeman in plain clothes says you smiled at him.’ “
Mark Steyn
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/craig-stall-bathroom-1836749-karsnia-room
On a talk show the other day, a similar undercover cop called in and said the cop that busted Craig did it wrong in that its procedure for a clean conviction to have some more overt act or verbal solicitation rather than some “signals”.
Putting tinfoil hat on, could there be some possibility, considering the Idaho newspapers research on Craig, that he was specifically entrapped for political reasons? It wouldn’t be too difficult to determine his travel, especially considering he often changes planes in Mn-StP, more than likely same gates, same restroom. Anyone who thinks the Dims are not as devious as the old KGB will wake up one day and find what we knew as America and freedom gone.
I suspect Graig plead because he knew he was being researched by that Idaho newspaper for many months and pretty well knew the jig was up with the airport situation no matter guilty or not guilty and tried to get all over with as fast as possible hoping it would just fad away. Might be very interesting to see some background on the cop.
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