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Fred's Federalism Clashes with Potential Allies
FoxNews ^ | 9/5/07 | papasmurf

Posted on 09/05/2007 3:43:28 PM PDT by papasmurf

The influential Arlington Group, a coalition of prominent leaders of the so-called "religious right, has decided to withhold their planned support for the fledgling campaign of former Senator Fred Thompson.

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Gee, other Pro-Paul supporters think that those bills are vital to make a point about the commerce clause.. hmmm.. pointless votes or important votes... which is it?

BTW, I never did get an answer I asked a LONG time ago if Paul ever received a paycheck from a hospital that performed abortions? Hey, if Paulites can ask those type of questions of other candidates, why not ask it of him..

81 posted on 09/05/2007 5:58:01 PM PDT by mnehring (Cox/Craig 2008! Don't stall!!! (At least it makes more sense than Ron Paul.))
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To: mnehrling
Some of his votes against limiting or restricting abortion:

The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.

I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn.

I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.”

Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

As an OB/GYN doctor, I’ve delivered over 4,000 babies. That experience has made me an unshakable foe of abortion. Many of you may have read my book, Challenge To Liberty, which champions the idea that there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected. Much can be understood about the civility of a society in observing its regard for the dignity of human life.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

I don't care if you criticize Paul on foreign policy. But if you want to spin that he's somehow pro-abortion based upon a few votes then I have nothing further to say to you on this subject.

82 posted on 09/05/2007 5:58:21 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: tacticalogic
Again, just glad to know that Paul chooses to oppose a pro-life vote to make a Constitutional point versus, say, making that point when he submits pork for things like Wild Shrimp or funding a Child Tracking Database (BTW, where in the Constitution does it give the government the right to document and track our Children’s location?)

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/allpolitics/0706/popup.congress.earmarks/pdfs/tx.14.paul.pdf

83 posted on 09/05/2007 5:59:47 PM PDT by mnehring (Cox/Craig 2008! Don't stall!!! (At least it makes more sense than Ron Paul.))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I said right out that I believe Paul is pro-life, I just don’t believe that it is his priority.. his priority seems more to be making political points than to make pro-life points.. I’m sure at his heart, he is.. it just isn’t as important to him than other things..
84 posted on 09/05/2007 6:01:05 PM PDT by mnehring (Cox/Craig 2008! Don't stall!!! (At least it makes more sense than Ron Paul.))
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To: mnehrling
BTW, I never did get an answer I asked a LONG time ago if Paul ever received a paycheck from a hospital that performed abortions?

Email his campaign.

85 posted on 09/05/2007 6:01:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

See post #62


86 posted on 09/05/2007 6:02:06 PM PDT by mnehring (Cox/Craig 2008! Don't stall!!! (At least it makes more sense than Ron Paul.))
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To: mnehrling
It’s all about priorities..

Inded it is. And your priority is to enlist the federal government into a "culture war", and you don't want anyone asking questions about whether that's supposed to be their job.

87 posted on 09/05/2007 6:02:35 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: G8 Diplomat
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.--Federalist 45

Federalist 45

Contrary to big government social 'conservative' nanny statists, morality falls under the 'ordinary course of affairs' and concerns the 'lives, liberties, and properties of the people'

88 posted on 09/05/2007 6:03:42 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: mnehrling
I just don’t believe that it is his priority.

Give me a break. He has always made the pro-life issue his priority. He has spoken to many pro-life organizations and addressed the Kansas City convention earlier this year. He even delivered babies while still a member of Congress during his first stint.

his priority seems more to be making political points than to make pro-life points

Would you rather have him not play up his pro-life beliefs like the vast majority of GOP candidates do?

89 posted on 09/05/2007 6:05:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: mnehrling

Your misrepresentations and mischaracterizations are catching up to you. You ain’t foolin’ nobody.


90 posted on 09/05/2007 6:06:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: papasmurf

Drawing comparisons between hunting (& McDonald’s???) and traditional marriage is just clutching straws.

Come on, man. You can do better than that.

I don’t see your point at all. We already have a Federal Defense of Marriage Act. All a Constitutional amendment does is codify that existing law in a form that a radical federal judge can’t overturn. There’s no regulating or banning whatsoever in the process.

Opposing this amendment on federalist grounds is just dumb.


91 posted on 09/05/2007 6:06:10 PM PDT by CheyennePress (Tennesseean for Romney)
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To: mnehrling
See post #62

I seen it and pretty much destroyed it.

92 posted on 09/05/2007 6:06:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: papasmurf

Thompson is apparently trying to steal log cabin republican votes from giuliani.


93 posted on 09/05/2007 6:07:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Mr. Lucky

>>>The fact is that federalizing morality has led to the wholesale legal slaughter of unborn children.<<<

Not exactly.

The fact of the matter is that FEDERAL JUDGES federalizing morality led to the wholesale legal slaughter of unborn children.

And they can do it again with this marriage issue, regardless of what the various states think.


94 posted on 09/05/2007 6:09:54 PM PDT by CheyennePress (Tennesseean for Romney)
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To: billbears
Contrary to big government social 'conservative' nanny statists, morality falls under the 'ordinary course of affairs' and concerns the 'lives, liberties, and properties of the people

So if states legislate morality, are they "nanny states" or does this epithet only apply to the federal government?

95 posted on 09/05/2007 6:12:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So if states legislate morality, are they "nanny states" or does this epithet only apply to the federal government?

Any state can be a "nanny state", and will if you let them.

96 posted on 09/05/2007 6:26:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: billbears

Yeah but if the people don’t protect those moralities, someone has to. If the feds are all that’s left, so be it. I don’t think banning gay marriage on a federal level due to every states’ failure to do it is a nanny state.


97 posted on 09/05/2007 6:26:34 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (It's campaign season. Let's rumble!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So if states legislate morality, are they "nanny states" or does this epithet only apply to the federal government?

What did Mr. Madison say in the quote I provided? What does the 10th Amendment say? If I have a problem with the state I live in, I address that issue at the state level. As intended

98 posted on 09/05/2007 6:27:47 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: G8 Diplomat
If the feds are all that’s left, so be it. I don’t think banning gay marriage smoking on a federal level due to every states’ failure to do it is a nanny state.

Don't laugh, one of the 'conservatives' currently running advocates that very thing. I don't care if you like it or not. I don't like it. As a Christian I believe homosexuality to be a sin. But no matter how much I may abhor a certain action, I will not advocate legislating the issue at the federal level

The Constitution of these United States was intended to be a limitation on the federal government alone. It's not a list of rights or anything else. The last time an Amendment was passed banning an action of the citizens of the separate and sovereign states, it was overturned in short term.

99 posted on 09/05/2007 6:31:05 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

Thank you for pointing out that legislating morality is a proper role of state governments.


100 posted on 09/05/2007 6:32:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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