Posted on 09/07/2007 1:07:39 PM PDT by NapkinUser
Edited on 09/07/2007 2:33:06 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Did Ron Paul or did not Ron Paul say that Iran is no threat and we should listen to the IAEA during that debate? He went out of his way. Why don’t you address what people are actually saying rather than projecting on to something else? You do this repeatedly, and I suspect you know this because there is absolutely no way to defend the things Paul said, so you try to pretend it wasn’t said and try to switch the discussion. What’s the purpose?
One of my Dad's fav-o-rite sayings, "Crazy as an outhouse rat." A couple of others, "Built like a brick outhouse." and "Like a truck load of pigs hittin' a truck load of tin cans."
Oh, and this one, "They won't do anything till people start fallin' over dead in the streets."
LOL.........:}
P.S. Agree that your reply fits, "Like a fist in the eye."
The only major disagreement Conservatives should really have with Ron Paul is Iraq. If you unplug your Sean Vannity and Rushie IV ear plugs for a few minutes and read what others besides the Media’s Choice Liberal RINO’s are saying {BTW Paul is not such} maybe you’ll learn something. Three other candidates are much better than the four Moderate/leaning Liberals the media is pushing. Paul, Tancredo, and Hunter are by miles more Conservative than Bush anointed Fred, Liberal Gun Grabber Rudy King the former King and Overlord of NYC, Juan McCain, or Kerry House of Waffles manager Mitt.
The Ford /Rockefeller GOP has had three terms in the White House since Reagan left and have helped the DEMs all but destroy progress made during his term. I'm flexible enough to vote for one of three I mentioned. But it will be a Cold Day somewhere hot before Fred, Mitt, Rudy, or John, ever sees a vote from me. I voted for Fred Thompson Twice in a general election. The second one I regretted deeply.
Ron Paul is not a conservative, he is a Libertarian in Republican drag, and some of his past and present Libertarian buddies are weird, to say the least.............
The reason, IMHO, that folks are turned off by Paul is that he's rapidly morphing into a whirling dervish, and many of his followers are beginning to rotate...........
Now, I went to your FRsite, and read a few things, and, for the most part, you seem like a decent dude...................herein lies the problem.......as difficult as it is for you to understand exactly why many Freepers are not supporting Paul, it is just as difficult, and probably more so, for many Freepers to understand why you do support Paul...........Clinton said a lot of good things, but he was , and still is, fatally flawed............
Many Freepers have begun to realize that Paul, even though he stands for several good things, is, and I am trying to be nice here, is appearing to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic basket........
It is my humble opinion that you, and the country, would be better served if you perhaps choose a different candidate to support.............it is your decision, of course............I am just giving you my opinion...........
Paul does lean Libertarian but makes no qualms about it. Rudy, Mitt, and McCain are trying to pass themselves off as Conservatives. To hear Rudy talk about himself you would think be believes he is Reagan's ghost or reincarnation. Rudy Mitt and McCain are die hard Rockefeller Liberals with not a conservative bone in them. Fred at the very best is Moderate. He was my senator. He started out strong elected in a special election. By the end of his second term many posters forget he was one of the most despised Republicans in this forum. Fred sold out not once but several times.
Huckabee I consider to be the real moderate. Paul is Libertarian Conservative, Tancredo is Conservative and Hunter is as well. Thompson means four more years of failed Bush policy so does McCain as he sponsored many Bush bad ideas. Rudy and Mitt means same as Hillary.
If a moderate Republican gets in expect 4 more years of a weak GOP of which one side follows POTUS right or wrong even in doing the DEMs work for them. The remaining Conservatives are left hanging out to dry counting on conservative DEMs to help them.
The GOP can afford loosing the Oval Office but I honestly don't believe that will happen if it runs an actual Conservative this time. If the GOP doesn't get a strong Conservative leader ASAP there may not be any turning around of the GOP. I think this election if if goes moderate in the primaries may well be the GOP's death keel. Conservatives are getting tired of being told to shut up and vote for Liberal A or B especially in the primaries. They are also tired of Boogieman tactics the RNC and party leader use to try and scare people into voting for the most liberal RINO so a DEM doesn't win.
I've sen very decent good long standing Conservative writers and activist trashed in here by the Partybot NEOCON's who thinks Bush is never wrong and when he is we must support him anyway. Mention Howard Phillips, Paul Weyrich, for example and the hyenas come out loking for a meal to devour. Why? Because they speak against policies of the king. Before Bush worship started they were hero's. It's been months likely over a year since I've seen a Chuck Baldwin article in here and where are the good guys who wrote outstanding postlike Sheltonmac? The NEOCON's ran them off just as they will this election in the name of party Damage Control.
The GOP has become an empty echo chamber for required Amens to Brother Bush's failures and is wanting four morte years of the same? Not on my vote they don't. Will the last Conservative leaving the GOP please turn out the light?
These same sentiments helped drive enough people to Perot to give Clinton the presidency, even when cooler heads told them exactly what was going to happen..........
These same sentiments help re-elect Clinton to a second term over Dole..........Both Bush 41 and Dole were World War II heroes who came very close to making the ultimate sacrifice, on more than one occasion, but, because they weren't conservative enough, votes were blindly thrown away so that a lying, cheating, corrupt, draft-dodging communist could become president of this country. The first communist ever to serve as our Commander-In-Chief (if not a communist, doing a damn good impression of one).
Ron Paul cannot win the Republican Primary, it is statistically impossible for him to do so, BUT, if enough people get behind him, he will, IMO, run as a third party candidate and help put the wife of the first communist ever to become a U.S. President into that same office. If Ron Paul runs as a third party candidate, it will guarantee Hillary Clinton a win. He will run as a third party candidate if he can generate enough energy with folks like you and others..............
Many Freepers here are sounding a warning voice to all who will listen, but there will be many who will vote for an Independent Paul, even if it proves instrumental in putting the most corrupt couple ever to reside in the White House back in there again..............
The Perot voters thumbed their noses at the warnings and we now have public schools teaching that homosexuality is normal and healthy (a coommunist goal), the politicization of every part of the federal government (a communist tactic), our most guarded and sensitive weapons secrets given/sold to the communists (another communist goal), our Military was cut off at the knees and demoralized (another communist goal - thank God Bush 43 has worked towards correcting this - and, if you don't think so look at the difference in the receptions that he gets as opposed to the receptions that Hillary and Kerry get when they visit the Troops), when Clinton left office every cabinet and agency was missing huge amounts of money, millions, hundreds of millions, even billions (money to help fund the communist agenda), Clinton appointed as many socialist and communist judges as he possibly could, put as many homosexuals in government as he could, tried to force the Military to accept openly active homosexuals, tried to get homosexual pornography sold on Military bases, massively cut funds to the DEA and made blasé remarks about drugs, which led to teen drug use doubling almost overnight, (ALL COMMUNIST GOALS)..............I'm just scratching the surface here, this list could go on for a very long time...........
So, if you want to help install the communists back in the White House, then by all means, give Ron Paul as much support as you can, so much that it will help convince him that he is a viable third party candidate............because we cannot have someone in the White House who is not 100% conservative, it would be better to have communists in there..............wait, Ron Paul is not a conservative, oh, well, it doesn't matter, screw everyone else, I'm voting for him anyway...............
There are much better ways to try to affect change in government than supporting someone who cannot win, and with such support (should he go Independent), almost guaranteeing godless evil in the White House (as opposed to not quite conservative enough people in the White House).................
With all due respect, can you maybe get a glimpse of why so many Freepers are coming down so hard on Paul?
Paul bashers just can’t help themselves. It’s like moths to a flame/light. Their “radar” simply goes buggy.
Perot was a result of Bush failures. He wasn't the cause of Poppy Bush's miserable failures in office. Bill Clinton simply ran to Poppy's right and won. He did it to Dole as well. Bob Dole if you will think back real hard turned the GOP Convention and platform over to Christie Todd Whittman and Susan Malanari who turned off and disgusted virtually every conservative in the nation. There wasn't any good third party so Conservatives simply stayed home. I voted Dole BTW my last GOP vote for POTUS in the general elections. That was Bob Dole's own doing. Clinton again ran to the right of Dole. Afterward we all saw how ridiclous Bob Dole really was now didn't we? Remember the Viagra Commericals? Of course not.
With Rudy, Fred, Mitt, and John, the Dem choice will easily run to their right and likely win.
Bush Junior didn't win over Gore because he was popular it was because Gore was tainted. Had anyone else even Lieberman ran against Bush in the general he would have lost by a wide margin. Gore ran to the right of Bush. Do you see a pattern there?
The 1994 GOP congressional candidates ran hard line Conservative. They won unprecedented victories over the DEMs and made history. Yet by 1996 the sellout had begun and the GOP became as useless as an empty water bottle in the desert in fighting liberals. Senate Majority Leader Kennedy looked on and smiled. First to sellout was Lott then Newt where is Lott now BTW? Back in GOP senate leadership and Newt considering a POTUS run?
In 1996 all Bob Dole had to do was run as a Conservative. He listened to the Neocon liberal stooges in the RNC and he lost BIG.
Neocons always have to have either an Independent or Conservative to blame on their failures on. For example it wasn't Poppy's fault it was Perot's. That is what is called DENIAL and refusal to learn from past mistakes. What do they call making the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results? Well the Palo's haven't had any say in the party direction for a long time {1994} so that leaves who as the ones making the mistakes?
As for the other things you mention? Let me remind you of this. Bill Clinton had a DEM majority for only two short years. He was up against a GOP Majority in two houses for six. Bush had a GOP majority to work with. Now you explain to me just how in the H-e- double sticks Clinton managed to get those agenda's through but Bush can only get token Conservative ones? It was RINO's. The same ones that when it comes time for election the Neocons say Oh we can't get risk getting rid of Hatch, Specter, etc because a Dem might win. The GOP became so obsessed with maintaining power they it sold it's political soul to the devil.
The GOP house and senate wizzed away opportunity after opportunity to change the course of this nation and repair the damage done post-Reagan era. Add to that the Bush Junior Micromanaging of congressional and senate primaries so his NeoCon friends could come to Washington instead of Conservatives. Explain that one too me I'm all ears. The insanity never ends. When O'Connor stepped down from the USSC who's name was floated around for her replacement? Orrin Hatch for one by many Freepers then Bush's secretary. Now you still yet can not see a problem?
The GOP NEOCON's have nearly destroyed the party and are enablers to the DEMs to destroy the nation. The Palo's say no to both of them now who's right? Yet you really think Independent Conservative voters are a threat to our nation? Sheesh!!!!
Check into you Conservative history and learn who's who. Some Independents were among the first to help start the Conservative revolution in the late 70's One was Howard Phillips. Then there was a DEM Jerry Falwell. A Republican Paul Weyrich as well. Plus others from various walks. They formed a movement that helped catapult Reagan into office and later set the ground work for the 1994 wins as well. Don't thank the NEOCON's they managed to tear everything that was gained down. They think the GOP must be Liberal enough to win DEM votes. That's not what won those major elections!!! That is what cost the GOP seats. I'm telling you the GOP better come up with someone other than recycled Neocon Liberals One, two, three, or four, pretty soon or there will be a DEM POTUS in 2009. I don't want it. I'm just sounding the warning.
Like it or not right now Ron Paul is the only one running who is 180 out of sync with Hillary. Elect Hillary and the troops will still be in Iraq till hell freezes over only under a U.N. flag and command. She can't run right of Paul, Tancredo, or likely even Hunter. The GOP will only win by running hard right. Conservative DEMs will not cross over for a Neocon. No liberal Dem will cross over for a Neocon nor will the moderates. That leaves us with what? A split GOP with a Liberal Lite platform. Been there seen that No Thank You.
cva66snipe - you are one misguided illogical dude, but hey I support your right to speak freely. But wait, if Hitlery gets in you might not be able to do that anymore.
My illogical thinking as you call it Dude warned that GW Bush would quite possibly loose to Gore in 2000 in here. I was warning the man was Poppy Part2. I was warning that Gore would let Bush give his Liberal Lite agenda and would say Me Too. That is exactly what Gore did. Who nearly lost?
If you can not see that the GOP is now two parties which can honestly likely no longer exist as one party then I can't make you see it. The NEOCON's have since 1996 shut the Palo's out of the process yet demand they blindly support the Liberal side of the GOP. That is the problem.
I don't like Hillary one bit but I have read her speeches in conservative venues meaning to Conservative universities where she spoke to ypoung voters. She can talk like Ronald Reagan when the venue calls for it. Does that alarm you? It does me. The GOP better have someone who can actually handle it and I don't mean a Has Been senator the DEms can run roughshod over, a Has Been liberal governor, a Has been Liberal Mayor who thinks the USA is NYC or a RINO senator representing illegals from Mexico. Other than that I'm open to possibilities.
Won't work... too many of us Ron Paul supporters here at FR who will continue promoting Dr. Paul, and too many big gov't parasites who are deathly afraid of Dr. Paul's ideas of limited gov't, individual liberty and a non-interventionalist foreign policy taking hold.
Nothing scares a big gov't parasite like the thought of losing their teat (my wallet) and having to actually earn a living, and they'll damn sure keep attacking the one candidate who could make it happen.
However, you could stop posting on Ron Paul threads... that would cut down on traffic some (just a thought).
Even though I agree with some of your points, in various posts, in my heart, I know that Paul is a loser, and will most likey implode well before the party conventions (and probably go Independent)...........I cannot put my trust and my vote in the hands of such an unstable candidate...............
the best to you and yours..........
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