What do you think?
Posted on 9/12/2007, 5:43:41 AM by 2ndDivisionVet
Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani continues to lead the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but he has seen a dramatic erosion in his support, which now stands at its lowest point of the year, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Giuliani's support dropped from 37 percent in a July poll to 28 percent in the latest survey, and his decline from February has been even more sharp. Then, he had the backing of 53 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents and had a better than 2 to 1 advantage over his closest rival.
Former senator Fred D. Thompson (Tenn.), who formally entered the race last week after months of exploration, now stands in second place in the GOP field, with 19 percent. That is nearly double the support he received in an April poll taken as he began to express serious interest in running.
But for all the anticipation about his candidacy, Thompson is roughly even with Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), whose campaign has had to weather struggles over the Iraq war, immigration and fundraising as well as the resignations of senior staff members. McCain is at 18 percent in the new poll, arresting a slow decline that began late last winter.
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was the only other candidate to finish in the double digits. His 10 percent is generally consistent with his national standing in Post-ABC polls since April, although he performs better in surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire. An August Post-ABC poll of likely Iowa GOP caucus-goers had Romney in the lead.
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Since one declared about a year ago,
and the other declared last weekend,
your argument doesn't have any juice.
"Fred’s meteoric success has lots of folks panties in a twist (including Mitt Romney and his lackeys)."
Oh, boy! I can't wait to read when I have the chance!
Thank you for all of your postings.
And, I thank Politicalmom for all of her pings.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to keep up. ;o)
Nitey nite!
What do you think?
Panties in a twist is a good description given that Fred is essentially giving all of his opponents an atomic wedgie as he races past them in the polls.
Romney and the rest of the seven dwarves
need to get off the stage.
“McCain is at 18 percent “
I just don’t believe that is the case. It throws the poll magnitudes into doubt.
To all: How can we expect God's continued kindness to this nation if we make it a habit of electing divorcees which is explicitly forbidden from Jesus himself, with all due respect to Ronaldus? Do you sincerely think that America can continue on the present road of abortionism, perversion, nihilism and the desire to escape God's reality through illicit drug use while simultaneously trampling on God's explicit commands, if only by proxy at the ballot box? Lest you answer "Freedom of Religion!" let me remind you that it is the Judeo-Christian framework that provides the very BASIS for that freedom. If that is jettisoned at the leadership level as a matter of habit by the electorate, where does that lead us besides back into bondage as under King George? Hopefully, I do not need to spell out the analogs as they are clear to anyone who is watching current affairs as they unfold (hint: think NAU for starters, proceed from there).
Is anyone here willing to think more than one year ahead, to maybe fifty years? Does anyone care about anything besides his remote control and the Monday Night Football game? In short, does anyone still believe in the God of the Old and New Testament Who provided the basis for our laws and in whose pious service our Puritan, Pilgrim forbears laid the seedbed for this free republic - without which there would be none? Or am I the only one left? </rant> {sorry, had to get that off my chest. I feel better now.)
No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.
—George Washington
IN HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS
Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. -In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patiotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.- The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. -A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity.- Let it simply be asked where is the security for prosperity, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion.-Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure - reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.-
‘Tis substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. -The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of Free Government.- Who that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
I want somebody electable.
nobody cares about that crap
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GO FRED
Bump Bump Bump!
Just a warning...watch for phony polls that show little or no bounce for Fred. Heck all/most of the polls are manufactured, including Fox News.
GO FRED!!!
Last I heard divorce was not the unforgivable sin. Hitler never got a divorce. Hitler served in WWI. Hitler was a man driven by results and not image. Hitler knew the nuts and bolts of national security.
We are not electing a National Pastor, we are electing a President. I can think of 10,000 men more "worthy" than Fred Thompson, but I can't think of anyone who is as conservative as Fred Thompson who is likely to not only win the Republican Nomination but also the presidency.
The fact of the matter is that God has already ordained for us who our next president is going to be and judging from the current poll results it is not going to be Duncan Hunter. Most likely it is going to be Hillary or Thompson or Giuliani. Quite frankly, as a nation, we do not deserve any better than Hillary. Let us pray that God will be merciful and that he has ordained that we should have a president that is at least as conservative as Fred Thompson.
BTW Solomon led Israel though its most prosperous time in history. Solomon was no saint. He was the single most self-indulgent human being ever mentioned in the Bible.
Ultimately God is our leader and not some flawed human being. We are going to get a flawed human being as our next president. Let us pray that God leads him.
I do not want to turn this into a religion discussion.
I know what Fred’s church teaches, I know what the Bible says. There is something you’ve left out.
The part that you have left out indicates that Fred may not be guilty of sin just because he was divorced. There are a number of factors that I do not know about that divorce but I’ve been listening carefully to all that he says and all that is written, and all that Sarah says. The innocent party may remarry if the divorce was for a particular reason that the Bible allows for.
I know what Fred’s church teaches, what my church teaches and it is not the same thing that you are saying in your post. I believe Fred’s church and my church teaches the truth according to the scriptures.
You are going too far in judging Fred. Consider that you may be wrong according to the scriptures.
That said, I don’t know enough to know if Fred is an innocent party for sure. Whether he is or not, it isn’t a deal breaker for me. I will vote the same. If I find out otherwise, it will just change what I pray for with regard to Fred.
If you still wish to disagree, that is fine. We will have to disagree. Part of what you said was wrong by my standards.
Matt.5.32: But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife , except on the ground of sexual immorality , makes her commit adultery . And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
If supporting Fred Thompson is all about rejecting Scripture, as you seem to indicate, then I as a Christian have no choice but to oppose his candidacy. Is that indeed what you are indicating, in calling the teaching of Christ "crap"?
Religion, BTW is unavoidable, and ought to be more broadly referred to as "worldview". Secular atheism (Hillary - judge her by her deeds, not her words) is a worldview. Consistently applied, it leads to genocide (right-wing version, think Adolph Hitler) or mass murder (left-wing version, think Stalinism).
Worldview guides all of our decisions - esp. those of our leaders. Therefore it isn't just an extraneous appendage, but is foundational in selecting a leader. Its discussion is unavoidable.
I believe there is a good deal of lip service to God from modern evangelicals - the kind who worship in churches whose music sounds more like rock n' roll than Rock of Ages - with very little application. In short, many of these, judged by deeds rather than words, must be considered practical atheists. The divorce situation as related to FT is a prime case in point.
If indeed we get Hillary Clinton, it will be a chastisement from God, and it will be awful but in a broader historical context nothing new.
I understand this:
“I have to judge him according to what MY church teaches, not his.”
That’s why I said we’d just have to disagree. You can’t expect anyone [let alone Fred, or me] to live their life according to what other churches teach when they all teach different things. What so ever is not of faith is sin. What is my faith is what my church teaches. I believe in the authority of the scriptures. You cannot bind what God has not bound.
Your paragraph about lip service does not sound like and does not apply to Fred’s church or mine.
I’m not sure of the other things you’ve talked about. I respect your opinion, but it does apply to you and not me.
You should live your faith. And I should live mine.
Let the Lord be the judge of me, and thee, and Fred. This is something that should be up to Him. If you think Fred is in error, then pray for him. The differences between churches and their doctrines also, is something for the Lord to judge.
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