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Imposing a national 'fair' tax
MarketPlace ^ | September 11, 2007 | Scott Jagow/Stephen Moore

Posted on 09/12/2007 4:17:22 AM PDT by Man50D

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To: MrB

Aaaaah! That’s brilliant!


41 posted on 09/12/2007 4:39:49 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: navyguy
“Maybe if the Fair Tax National Organization picks ONE STATE, and proves it out, will they then have momentum at the national level.”

What do you want to bet that state's retail sales take a nose dive while sales in neighboring states go up?

42 posted on 09/12/2007 5:26:16 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Man50D

I like your ambition, but there are literally millions of Americans earning a salary that deals with circumventing or working with the tax code, from accountants or accounting firms, to lawyers and law firms, to bank trustees, not to mention federal and state workers. Unfortunately, you can “grass roots” your ass off and I don’t think you’ll ever get Congress to agree with the stroke of a pen to do away with all their jobs. Congressmen will never agree to fire people who elect them and that is what a fair tax would do.


43 posted on 09/12/2007 5:29:29 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: Centurion2000
If it's good enough for God, it's more than good enough for the government.

God doesn't buy tanks or fund weapons research.

44 posted on 09/12/2007 5:30:35 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: irish guard
Unfortunately, you can “grass roots” your ass off and I don’t think you’ll ever get Congress to agree with the stroke of a pen to do away with all their jobs.

Many people had the same skepticism about granting women the right to vote but a strong grassroots effort resulted in the 19th Amendment. Politicians will agree when they realize mounting pressure will force them to choose between self preservation for their jobs and supporting special interest groups.
45 posted on 09/12/2007 5:36:54 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: groanup

The Fair Tax babes. Three more reasons to love The Fair Tax! ;O)


46 posted on 09/12/2007 5:38:31 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: lucysmom
What do you want to bet that state's retail sales take a nose dive while sales in neighboring states go up?

I think you are full of bull as usual.

The economy of Texas is a dominant force in the economy of the United States. One of the largest growing economies in the nation, Texas is, as of 2006, home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 56 overall, more than any other state. Texas has an economy that is the second largest in the nation and the 15th largest in the world based on GDP (PPP) figures. As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently grosses more than 100 billion dollars a year in trade with other nations.

And one of the MAIN reasons for that is that Texas is one of the eight states of the United States with no state income tax. In addition, Texas does not allow cities to impose income taxes above and beyond the federal level. This means that for the residents of Texas the maximum rate of income taxation cannot exceed 35.0%, all of which goes to the national government.

Economy of Texas

Texas has a retail sales tax.

47 posted on 09/12/2007 5:46:31 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun
Texas has a retail sales tax.

Darn you Bigun! Stop presenting the facts!
48 posted on 09/12/2007 5:53:22 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
Darn you Bigun! Stop presenting the facts!

LOL! NEVER!!!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

John Adams

49 posted on 09/12/2007 6:03:31 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Man50D
This one's for you my friend.

“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who errs, and comes short again and again (but)....who knows the great enthusiasms, the great emotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt (1910)

50 posted on 09/12/2007 6:11:26 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun
...if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."

Why do I equate the last sentence here with the statist mentality that change is something to be afraid of? That such paranoia is spelled SQL?

51 posted on 09/12/2007 6:49:50 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: Bigun

I think you missed the point.


52 posted on 09/12/2007 9:59:32 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Man50D
Darn you Bigun! Stop presenting the facts!

Sales taxes make up 25% of state revenue, where does the rest of the money come from?

53 posted on 09/12/2007 10:03:57 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Window on State Government Susan Combs, Texas Comptroller Search
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Texas Taxes

Texas Taxes and Tax Rates

The chart below provides a quick overview of tax rates for all taxes administered by the Comptroller. You can find detailed information such as forms, publications, statutes, rules and more on any of these taxes by clicking the tax type in the chart.

Tax Rate
911 Emergency Service Fee $0.50 per month for each local exchange access line or equivalent local exchange access line
911 Wireless Emergency Service Fee $0.50 per month for each wireless telecommunications connection
911 Equalization Charge 1% of the customer's intrastate long-distance charges each month
Automobile Theft Prevention Authority Assessment $1 per motor vehicle year
Automotive Oil Sales Fee $0.01 per quart of automotive oil imported or sold in Texas
Battery Sales Fee $2 per battery of less than 12 volts. $3 per battery with a capacity of 12 volts or more
Boat and Boat Motor 6 1/4% (.0625) of sales price less trade in allowance
Cement Production Tax $0.55 per ton or $0.0275 for each 100 pounds or fraction of 100 pounds of taxable cement
Cigarette Tax For a conventional package of 20 cigarettes, the tax is $1.41 cents per pack. For a package of 25 cigarettes, the tax is $1.76 cents per pack
Cigar and Tobacco Products Tax Cigars
  • one cent per 10 or fraction of 10 on cigars weighing three pounds or less per thousand;
  • $7.50 per thousand on cigars that weigh more than three pounds per thousand, sell at factory list price, exclusive of any trade discount, special discount, or deal, for 3.3 cents or less each;
  • $11 per thousand on cigars that weigh more than three pounds per thousand, sell at factory list price, exclusive of any trade discount, special discount, or deal, for more than 3.3 cents each and contain no substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients; and
  • $15 per thousand on cigars that weigh more than three pounds per thousand, sell at factory list price, exclusive of any trade discount, special discount, or deal, for more than 3.3 cents each and contain a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients.
Other Tobacco Products (smoking or pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, snuff)
  • 40 percent of the manufacturer's list price, exclusive of any trade discount, special discount, or deal.
Cigarette and Tobacco Products Outdoor Advertising Fee 10% (.10) of the gross sales price of any outdoor advertising of cigarettes or tobacco products in Texas
Coastal Protection Fee $0.02 per barrel of crude oil or condensate
Coin Operated Machines Tax Registration certificate: $150; occupation tax permit: $60; general business license: $200 for 50 or fewer machines, $400 for 51-200 machines, $500 for 201 or more machines; import license: $500; repair license: $50
Controlled Substances Tax Marihuana: $3.50 per gram, 4 oz. minimum; Other Substances: $200 per gram, 7 g. minimum; $2000 per 50 dosage units, 50 minimum, 50 unit increment
Crude Oil Production Tax Oil production tax: 4.6% (.046) of market value of oil
Diesel Fuel $0.20 per gallon of diesel fuel
Fireworks Tax 2% (in addition to sales tax)
Franchise (Corporate and Bank) Greater of .25% (.0025) per year of privilege period of net taxable capital or 4.5% (.0450) of net taxable earned surplus. For the initial report, the net taxable capital rate is prorated over the initial period
Gasoline $0.20 per gallon of gasoline
Hotel Occupancy Tax 6% (.06) of the cost of a room
Inheritance Tax Texas portion of the maximum allowed federal credit for state death tax
Insurance Maintenance Tax Varies each year as adopted by the Texas Department of Insurance and the Texas Workers' Compensation Commission
Insurance Premium Tax (Independently procured, Surplus Lines and Unauthorized) 4.85% (.0485) of taxable premiums
Insurance Premium Tax (Licensed Insurers) Life, Accident and Health insurers: 1.75% (.0175)
Property and Casualty insurers: 1.6% (.016)
Reciprocal or Interinsurance Exchanges: 1.7% (.017)
Title insurers: 1.35% (.0135)
International Fuels Tax Agreement Tax rate is set by each of the member jurisdictions. Interstate carriers based in Texas report fuel tax paid in all member jurisdictions
Liquefied Gas Tax $0.15 per gallon; Prepaid users: based on mileage and registered gross weight of vehicle
Loan Administration Fee $0.50 of each administrative fee charged for a secondary mortgage loan; $1 of each administrative fee charged for a non-real property loan
Manufactured Housing Sales and Use Tax 5% of 65% or .0325 of the sales price stated on invoice
Miscellaneous Gross Receipts Tax Percentage of gross receipts from business done in incorporated cities and towns, according to population:
  • 1,000 to 2,499 = .581% (.00581)
  • 2,500 to 9,999 = 1.07% (.0107)
  • 10,000 or more = 1.997% (.01997)
Mixed Beverage Tax 14% (.14) of gross receipts
Motor Vehicle Gross Rental Receipts 10% (for contracts of 1-30 days) of gross receipts, less discount and separately stated fees for insurance, fuel, and damage assessments. 6 1/4% (.0625) for contracts exceeding 30 days but no longer than 180 days
Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax 6 1/4% (.0625) of sales price less trade in allowance
Motor Vehicle Seller-Financed Sales Tax 6 1/4 % (.0625) of gross receipts
Motor Vehicle Registration Surcharge 10% of the total fees due for the registration of the truck-tractor or commercial motor vehicles
Motor Vehicle Surcharge The rate for model years 1996 and earlier is 2.5 percent of the total consideration paid for the vehicle, while the rate for model years 1997 and later is 1 percent
Natural Gas Production Tax Gas: 7.5% (.075) of market value of gas. Condensate Production Tax: 4.6% (.046) of market value of gas
Office of Public Insurance Counsel Assessment Property and Casualty insurers: $.057 per policy in force at year end
Life, Accident, and Health insurers: $.057 per initial policy or certificate of coverage placed in force during the year
Health Maintenance Organizations: $.057 per initial policy or certificate of coverage placed in force during the year
Title insurers: $.057 per new owner policy written during the calendar year
Oil Well Service Tax 2.42% (.0242) of taxable services
Oyster Sales Fee $1 per 300 pound barrel of oysters taken from Texas waters
Pari-Mutuel Tax Horse and Greyhound
1% for live pools in excess of $100 million but less than $200 million
2% for live pools in excess of $200 million but less than $300 million
3% for live pools in excess of $300 million but less than $400 million
4% for live pools in excess of $400 million but less than $500 million
5% for live pools in excess of $500 million

1% for simulcast pools (same species and cross species)

Petroleum Products Delivery Fee Varies according to the net total gallons of all petroleum products withdrawn:
$10.00: Less than 2,500
$20.00: 2,500 but less than 5,000
$30.00: 5,000 but less than 8,000
$40.00: 8,000 but less than 10,000
$20.00: Each 5,000 gallon increment on 10,000 gallons or more
Public Utility Gross Receipts Assessment 1/6 of 1% (.001667) of gross receipts from rates charged to the ultimate customers in Texas
Retail Charge Account Delinquency Fee $0.50 for each delinquency charge in excess of $10
Retaliatory Tax If the aggregate tax, assessment, and fee burden of another state exceeds the aggregate burden in Texas based on the same amount of premium writings, a retaliatory tax is imposed equal to the difference between the states
Sales and Use Tax State - 6 1/4% (.0625)
City - 1% (.01) - 2% (.02), depending on local rate.
County - 1/2% (.005) - 1.5% (.015), depending on local rate.
Transit - 1/4 % (.0025) - 1% (.01), depending on local rate.
Special Purpose Districts - 1/8% (.00125) - 2% (.02), depending on local rate
School Fund Benefit Fee .04875 per gallon
Sulphur Production Tax $1.03 per long ton of sulphur produced
Texas Emissions Reduction Plan Surcharge 2% (in addition to sales tax) on the sales or lease price of off-road, heavy duty diesel equipment
Telecommunications Infrastructure Fund 1.25% (.0125) of receipts from taxable telecommunications services that are subject to sales tax
Volunteer Fire Department Assistance Fund Assessment Rate is set based on the premium volume each year to generate $15 million in revenue

Susan Combs
Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts

Window on State Government
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54 posted on 09/13/2007 12:37:43 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Man50D

There is a big difference at being able to block something that because of the ridiculous senate rules needs 60 votes, and actually implementing affirmative legislation like the fair tax. The procedural rules in the senate allow a minority to defeat the will of the majority. Probably the most ridiculous senate rule is where a single senator can put an indefinite hold on an appointment made by the executive branch. It’s beyond insane. Until we get rid of most of the ass monkeys currently residing in the senate don’t expect any progress on the fair tax. Don’t get me wrong — I would love to see the fair tax implemented. Thanks for the link about the 6 republican candidates - I stand corrected.


55 posted on 09/13/2007 1:42:54 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: lucysmom
If it's good enough for God, it's more than good enough for the government.

God doesn't buy tanks or fund weapons research.

You do realize that entitlements are SEVENTY percent of federal outlays correct?

56 posted on 09/13/2007 7:43:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: lewislynn
I wonder if Texans are aware everytime they pay a tax. For instance, is the cement tax, as a percent of the purchase price, disclosed when a new home is sold? What about transportation taxes?

I notice that a significant portion of Texas' state revenue is received from the federal government (income taxes). How much of that is due to political favors won by Texas's Washington politicians (pork)?

57 posted on 09/13/2007 8:05:23 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Centurion2000
You do realize that entitlements are SEVENTY percent of federal outlays correct?

How does that work? Military spending is 28.5% of the budget (exclusive of veteran's benefits) and interest on the debt is 18.7% of the budget so those three things add up to 117.2%.

58 posted on 09/13/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Bigun
What is conservatism?
Abraham Lincoln asked, "What is conservatism?
Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?"

"Activism is the antithesis of conservatism"

59 posted on 09/13/2007 8:49:22 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Man50D

Fair tax is like jumbo shrimp. It’s a classic oxymoron.


60 posted on 09/13/2007 8:51:32 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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