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Slanting the News (Military Deaths Higher under Clinton vs. Iraq War)
RedPlanetCartoons.com ^ | 6/26/07

Posted on 09/12/2007 7:40:01 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

U. S. military deaths, Clinton years/Bush years.

Vietnam War Casulaties vs. Operation Iraqi Freedom Casualties

(Excerpt) Read more at redplanetcartoons.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cartoon; clinton; iraq; liberalism; military; wot
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A word of caution: there might be some apple/oranges comparisons here. "Total deaths" vs. one particular CATEGORY of deaths...so be aware when reading this...but there is a strange hypocrisy from the libs.

More soldiers, it seems, died under CLINTON's administration than are dying in the IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN wars...be sure to check the source material on these links before engaging your liberal friends/co-workers/family members!!

Used correctly, this information can be devastatingly effective, I think, in convincing wavering citizens that the libs are hypocrites insofar as their "concern for the troops".

1 posted on 09/12/2007 7:40:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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2 posted on 09/12/2007 7:45:54 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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It’s a dangerous job, ALL the time to be sure.

And I wonder how many deaths during the Clinton years was do to bubba cutting the military budget, less training, less safety measures, etc.

It is a huge apples and oranges situation. But certainly something to make note of though.

Liberals are only concerned about lives when it suits their political agenda.


3 posted on 09/12/2007 7:46:04 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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Interesting.


4 posted on 09/12/2007 7:46:10 AM PDT by penelopesire
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those numbers are really stretching it...what is apparent though is how clinton destroyed the military....look at the falling number of active duty during his years...


5 posted on 09/12/2007 7:47:42 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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We are losing from all causes, hostile and non-hostile, approximately 2.5 personnel per day in Iraq since we have been there, i.e., March 2003. 46 Americans per day are being murdered in this country. In any event, our military deaths should not be the metric to gauge whether we are winning or losing or whether we should leave or not.
6 posted on 09/12/2007 7:52:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is absolutely STUNNING.
Wonder how long it will be before we see/hear this from the MSM??
[crickets chirping loudly]


7 posted on 09/12/2007 7:53:02 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom, Bible Thumper and Proud to be an American! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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Meaningless unless it’s percentage-based. If someone can provide that, it might be worthwhile.


8 posted on 09/12/2007 7:55:47 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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those numbers are really stretching it...what is apparent though is how clinton destroyed the military....look at the falling number of active duty during his years...

Kicked off by his predecessor as well. I have never heard a satisfactory explanation why the current President Bush would not raise troop levels after 9/11, when it was clear we'd be involved in a long-term war, and when he had a Congress willing to approve it. Friends have said it was a lack of military experience in the White House, but that's a cop-out as far as I'm concerned.

As far as deaths, casualties, etc., we count them differently these days, and this impacts the numbers quite a bit - as sad as it is, if you die or are hurt in Iraq or Afghanistan, unless you are shot or blown up directly, you could find yourself counted as an accidental death or injury (and not even get a Purple Heart). I know of two people whose sons were refused Purple Hearts while in what I would call a combat situation. One that lost an arm was finally given one when members of his unit threatened to go to the media.

Military deaths are also lessened, because our medical care has improved rapidly over the past five years. Things that might have killed you in Vietnam or even as recent as the first Gulf War, can be treatable these days.
9 posted on 09/12/2007 7:58:14 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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From a post on the site ...

Total active military deaths from 1981-1988 (Reagan) 17201 (avg 2150 per year). 58 from hostile action. That's 0.33%.

Total active military deaths from 1989-1992 (Bush, Sr.) 6223 (avg 1555 per year). 170 from hostile action. That's 2.73%.

Total active military deaths from 1993-2000 (Clinton) 7500 (avg 938 per year). 2 from hostile action. That's a 0.01%.

Total active military deaths from 2001-2004 (Bush, Jr.) 5187 (avg 1296 per year). 1102 from hostile action. That's a 21.24%.

Just put here for ease of access ...

10 posted on 09/12/2007 8:00:57 AM PDT by TexGuy
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Total active military deaths from 1993-2000 (Clinton) 7500 (avg 938 per year). 2 from hostile action. That's a 0.01%.

Total active military deaths from 2001-2004 (Bush, Jr.) 5187 (avg 1296 per year). 1102 from hostile action. That's a 21.24%.


Thought this was probably the case. While the raw numbers may make a good talking point, they fizzle out when faced with reality. Let's stick with rationality here, and not emotion.
11 posted on 09/12/2007 8:04:34 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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Total active military deaths from 1993-2000 (Clinton) 7500 (avg 938 per year). 2 from hostile action. That's a 0.01%.

ONLY 2 from combat??

12 posted on 09/12/2007 8:09:28 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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18 died in Mogadishu, in the famous
Black hawk incident


13 posted on 09/12/2007 8:16:58 AM PDT by tsomer
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That was hostile action and we lost no one in Serbia?


14 posted on 09/12/2007 8:23:00 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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USS Cole????


15 posted on 09/12/2007 8:27:58 AM PDT by indianaconservative
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I read the links but still am not understanding the deaths under Clinton. How did the soldiers die under Clinton?


16 posted on 09/12/2007 8:28:12 AM PDT by avacado
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Slightly off topic. But Col. Lee Van Arsdale (US Army Special Forces retired, Somolia 1993) said it best

Not the exact quote mind you

“If we based our mission objective based only on our lives lost we would have failed miserably in WW2”


17 posted on 09/12/2007 8:34:54 AM PDT by Cripplehawk
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The media and the moonbat bastards always cite a total of combat and non-combat deaths, thereby being able to use a number that is 25-30% higher. There are military who get cancer, are evacuated to the states, or in one case I know of Rota, Spain and another case to Charleston, SC to a civilian hospital, who die weeks or months afterward. They claim that death as a result of the war. We have militray members in their 50s who die in their sleep of natural causes, they claim that death as a result of the war.

Notice that the moonbats never read the names of the dead on 9/11, or the Airmen who died in the Kohbar Towers, the Sailors on the USS Cole or those killed in the embassy bombings. It's because the bastrds do not care. Their evens are "Cost of War" and meant to exploit the sorrow and sympathy the public feels against our troops still in harm's way.

The left are a bunch of grave robbing ghouls. The steal the goodwill and respect America has for these heros. We need to make them give it back.

18 posted on 09/12/2007 8:35:27 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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great find!!


19 posted on 09/12/2007 8:37:10 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Hazcat
Total active military deaths from 1993-2000 (Clinton) 7500 (avg 938 per year). 2 from hostile action. That's a 0.01%.
ONLY 2 from combat??
No, only 2 from hostile action. Action we instigated.
20 posted on 09/12/2007 8:39:39 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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