Editorial: U.S.-born? So what?

Sacramento Bee ^ | 9/16/7 | Editor

[Congressman Billybob]

Nothing in this bill reaches backwards, and would affect the citizenship of people in your position.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Lend Me Your Ears, I'll Bore You to Tears"

[Spirochete]

If this law passed, do adults born here from non-citizen parents also lose citizenship?

I doubt it. That would violate the Consitution's ban on ex-post-facto law.

The Lautenberg Gun Ban (for those accused of domestic violence and violators of domestic restraining orders) has retroactive effect.

The largest tax increase in U.S. history, signed by Bill Clinton, was applied retroactively to a date 20 days before his inauguration.

[traditional1]

"subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

This is KEY....aliens are not "subject to the jurisdiction, therof", but are subject to the jurisdiction of their home countries. The language has been twisted to include ANY foreigner who drops a baby here on U.S. soil, then the Liberals jump on the deportation of the illegals because "you're breaking up a family".

What a crock of steaming dung....

[DoughtyOne]

It would repeal a key part of the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, which confirmed that principle: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." If these children were under U.S. jurisdiction, Vincente Fox wouldn't have spent the last decade championing their cause while they were on OUR soil.

The Sacramento Bee is once again championing foreign nationa's supposed rights over our own. I wouldn't subscribe to this rag if it extended my life five years.

[stephenjohnbanker]

The author is a jackass!

[stephenjohnbanker]

The SB bites!!

[ruination]

He probably thinks the anchor baby Assembly Speaker is doing a terrific job.

[Tzimisce]

The people are pissed off about illegals.

You now have a choice: ignore them or pass the laws they want.

We’re supposed to be a government of, for and by the people...

[stephenjohnbanker]

No doubt.

[kabar]

Anchor babies: the Irish got it right

[Poincare]

"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," meant something to the authors and ratifiers (such as they were) of the amendment.

Are children born to foreign ambassadors who are not subject to US jurisdiction automatically US citizens? I think not.

Are children born to illegal entrants ignoring US jurisdiction automatically citizens? No, by the same argument.

[TheLion]

This is such a stupid editorial, I don’t even know where to begin!

[DoughtyOne]

Agreed.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Good tagline!

[stephenjohnbanker]

“This is such a stupid editorial, I don’t even know where to begin!”

Best to write it off as an editorial “bad debt” :-)

[DoughtyOne]

No new RINOS is a great one too, not that the other part isn’t something I could buy into.

[yorkie]

>>Why should a kid of a criminal alien be entitled to all of the benefits of American citizens?<<

Why should a CRIMINAL ALIEN be entitled to all of the benefits of American citizens? Heck - the illegal invaders have more freebies than CITIZENS!

[gubamyster]

ping

[MamaTexan]

The United States, from its inception as a nation, clearly differentiated among citizens, slaves, indians and immigrants.

True, and the citizens were citizens of the States, not 'US citizens'.

"The term resident and citizen of the United States is distinguished from a Citizen of one of the several states, in that the former is a special class of citizen created by Congress."
U.S. v. Anthony 24 Fed. 829 (1873)

[MamaTexan]

`(b) Definition- Acknowledging the right of birthright citizenship established by section 1 of the 14th amendment to the Constitution,

"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.