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Miami Police Given Choice of Carrying Assault Rifles
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| September 17, 2007
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Posted on 09/16/2007 8:54:03 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Squantos
I can't speak for my county...but in an adjacent county ALL deputies get their choice of a .223 hi-cap rifle. They're limited by a certain budgetary number for the weapon so things like DSA's version of the M-4 is out of range. My buddy told me that they carry Bushmasters, Armalites, and Ruger Mini-14s...topped with (mostly) Eotech and AimPoint Comp series sights.
They got tired of running into gang bangers and being out gunned. I can relate. :-)
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posted on
09/17/2007 8:56:22 AM PDT
by
hiredhand
(My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
To: Travis McGee; Horatio Gates
That is why the M4 would be a better choice for the veterans on the department. Budget is gonna give em maybe a few days to train as ya well know.
.......... I have to agree with HG on this issue. The patrol rifle course at Thunder Ranch would be perfect.
Real easy for HG to suggest though since TR moved up in his AO !.......:o)
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posted on
09/17/2007 9:37:25 AM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
To: Squantos
Real easy for HG to suggest though since TR moved up in his AO !.......:o) Clint Smith's T-Ranch urban rifle was only a 3 dayer iirc but well worth it and all iron sights. It seemed longer because after that I went to Steve Matoon's advanced sniper course. That was a long week + some...oh to be young again. It'd probably kill me now...LOL
To: Squantos
Your logic for choosing the ARs for patrol carry is impeccable.
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posted on
09/17/2007 11:43:31 AM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
To: Vision
"Sounds good to me."With only two days of familiarization training? You've got to be kidding.
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posted on
09/17/2007 12:27:41 PM PDT
by
semaj
(Just shoot the bastards! * Your results may vary. Void where prohibited.)
To: hiredhand
good selections.....not convinced on the outgunned reasons that PD’s put forth these days. BTW Snaggin yer gift off the site now.......... slooooooowly !!
Thanks ~
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posted on
09/17/2007 12:34:18 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
To: USNBandit
AA-12 Automatic Shotgun
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posted on
09/17/2007 12:35:12 PM PDT
by
CholeraJoe
("On the campus, the quiet campus, the lion burns tonight.")
To: neverdem
East Coast chief should have let the rifles out more than a decade ago. What a moron.
To: Squantos
Sorry about the speed over there. :-)
When my buddy the deputy told me he was getting a Bushmaster M-4 clone, I thought "crap...what the heck for?!". But he's an avid shooter and he pointed out that at 100 yards with any "reasonable" handgun, you're still in a great deal of danger against an adversary with anything semi-auto that shoots 7.62x39, or .223 Rem.
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posted on
09/17/2007 1:11:26 PM PDT
by
hiredhand
(My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
To: Screaming_Gerbil
To: neverdem
There are a few Florida LEO's carrying the same rifle I have... A Russian Saiga.
Here's what mine looks like:
To: semaj
You think officers aren’t already knowledgeable about firearms?
On an episode of some Miami police reality show they filmed a traffic stop leading to the suspects home. An officer pulled out a m16 to cover the house while the first guy talked to the driver. They said they do this because of snipers.
Never saw that before. I get the feeling Miami police are seasoned.
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posted on
09/17/2007 9:10:06 PM PDT
by
Vision
("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
To: Pistolshot
The P90 is ok, I have problems with the stock/sights setup. You have to raise the stock so the point of the butt is in your shoulder not the entire butt and you have to bring your head down to the sights. Not a real good ergo rifle. The cartridge is lousy out passed about 200 yards. Not good on a car body either. You are comparing it to the wrong sort of tool. It's designed for those, who for one reason or another, can't easily carry a full sized weapon, nor even a "compact" one like the CAR, in whatever caliber.
It's not designed to be used at 200 yards, and rarely at 100 yards. It's really designed for the same mission as the M-1 Carbine was originally intended for, vehicle crews, artilleryman, and behind the lines support personnel. For that it's more than OK, when compared to the 9mm pistol it mostly replaces.
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posted on
09/17/2007 9:33:10 PM PDT
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: El Gato
None of the officers who come into the shop on Saturdays will go near the P90. It doesn't 'fit' any of them. Heights from 5'6" to 6'6". That's a pretty good cross section.
Main complaints: magaziine too difficult to reload, sights are hard to pick up, length is too short, you need both hands, and if you don't use both hands it's larger than the pistol.
Those are their words, not mine.
But these are flying off the rack as soon as we get them. And only slightly larger than the P90 and shorter than any of the CAR setups. When you shoulder this little baby, everything lines up without having to contort your body. Uses M-16 mags, ammo and a vaiety of optical sights. It feels more like a shoulder-stocked pistol, and it is possible to shoot accurately one-handed.
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posted on
09/18/2007 4:27:39 AM PDT
by
Pistolshot
(Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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