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1 posted on 09/17/2007 1:50:52 AM PDT by OneHun
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For the oil, of course...


2 posted on 09/17/2007 1:52:34 AM PDT by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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Where have I heard this before...?
Oh yeah:
"Invading Iraq after September 11th, is like invading Mexico after Pearl Harbor." —Richard Clarke
I always thought that was such a funny quote because my response was always, "no it would be like invading Morocco!"
What an asshat.
A one-time senior member of the National Security Council who doesn't even known WWII history. Clinton sure knew how to pick 'em.
What even more amazing is that quote actually survived to the final draft of his book!
 
3 posted on 09/17/2007 2:06:47 AM PDT by counterpunch (Ron Paul is gearing up to be Hillary Clinton's Ross Perot.)
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Interesting correlation. This article makes FDR sound like a military genius. I didn’t know FDR planned the whole WWII by himself.


4 posted on 09/17/2007 2:16:21 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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Liberals haven’t been all that intersted is history.


5 posted on 09/17/2007 2:19:23 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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Yeah let's wait for Iran (Hezbollah) to take over Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and start WW4 with Israel.

Because the leftist media says so.


BUMP

6 posted on 09/17/2007 2:20:07 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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"There is a reason for the US invasion of Iraq, just as the Left suspects -- but it's not what they think. And it's not a secret, but a strategy President Bush has spelled out many times. Since the media turns a blind eye to our strategic reasoning, it still bears repeating: Our forces overthrew Saddam in part to create a killing field to draw terrorists."

I have to disagree. It wasn't the case for invasion. This line of exalting the Iraqi invasion as a "Grand Statergery" fits now of to counter opposition, of course.

"The Axis Powers came within half a decade of developing nukes, and they had also cruise missiles and long-range bombers."

Now that's the meat. Iraq was a closed society with intentions to dominate the region/US with nuclear weapons. That alone justifies US preemptive war.

10 posted on 09/17/2007 2:41:19 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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Interesting but the author’s grasp of history needs improvement. America’s first offensive was indeed against Japan. At a festering island called Guadalcanal in Aug 1942.


17 posted on 09/17/2007 3:23:17 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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now if on 9/12/01, Bush would have rounded up all known foreign Islamics, and put them in detention camps as a prelude to deportation, and then locked down the borders, then I may have the respect for him that is generally given to the socialist FDR.

The time was right for this and he could have done it then. But this one-world globalist president of ours had other fish to fry so as to cement his legacy. He is his fathers son.


22 posted on 09/17/2007 3:44:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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If we had lost in the desert against Rommel, Britain might now be a Nazi province.

Well hardly. The Battle of El Alamein was the descisive victory against Rommel. Operation Torch was an attempt to stop the Afrika Corps from escaping in good order. It was a good try, but the Germans got away anyway.

29 posted on 09/17/2007 4:08:33 AM PDT by agere_contra
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What about Guadalcanal....it was in August...... is an Island not land?


30 posted on 09/17/2007 4:13:25 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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For human civilization, it would be a great win. If we can do it.

If we can WILL do it.

Africa or Guadalcanal first? How about Tokyo and the Doolittle raid? Regardless, Roosevelt always understood that Germany was the greater threat.

31 posted on 09/17/2007 4:13:48 AM PDT by libertylover (Liberals: Trying to convert the U.S. into a country the Founding Father's wouldn't recognize.)
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Consider last week’s disclosure of Syria’s purchase of nuclear materials from North Korea, and negotiations for the purchase of missles from the same source. Now consider that Saddam was in negotiations with North Korea for missles for Iraq at the time of our invasion and that North Korea was ramping up production of nuclear materials at the time. - A good case, standing on it’s own, for pre-emptive action against Iraq.


35 posted on 09/17/2007 4:20:48 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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Liberals go to pubik schoolz so them don’t know no history. Besides history would challenge their “beliefs.” Remember what Ronald Reagan said, “It isn’t that they (democrats, liberals etc.)don’t know anything. It’s that so much of what they ‘know’ is not so.”


38 posted on 09/17/2007 4:33:29 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Union work: comparable value for twice the price.)
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If Kasserine had happened today, what would the left say?

One of the first major battles of WWII was a debacle, and a slaughter of young, green, American troops. It was frankly a defeat and an embarrassment.

The MSM today would be shouting, Bring them home, the war is lost.

Back then it brought in Patton, and spurred on Americans to push even harder for the Victory.


42 posted on 09/17/2007 5:01:27 AM PDT by acsrp38 (to dems: NUTS!!!)
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So our first land attack came in North Africa, not the Pacific.

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Did the writer ever hear of guadalcanal? Geez, basic WW2 History 101. Get it right.

43 posted on 09/17/2007 5:04:39 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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Mussolini was a scumbag of the first order, whose mass imprisonments, stranglehold of the economy, and military adventurism in the mediterrenean eventually cost him his life.

His only REAL achievement was in all but eliminating the Mafia from southern Italy and Sicily, which is why organized crime was "all too eager" to collaborate with the Allies. Il Douche couldn't even make the trains run on time, as promised.

70 posted on 09/17/2007 12:37:35 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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Interesting topic, but he overreaches in many places. For example:

If we had lost in the desert against Rommel, .... China would be Japanese territory, along with Indonesia....

Maybe, but probably not. The two wars were essentially fought separately. A serious check in Africa would have been bad, but it probably would not have materially affected our conduct of the Pacific war. It might even have speeded it up.

72 posted on 09/17/2007 12:45:19 PM PDT by r9etb
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As a show of American resolve, FDR was determined to get American ground troops into action against the Germans during the calendar year of 1942.

It happened that it could be done in Africa. If it had had to happen some other place, it would have happened there. The location of the offensive was not as important to FDR as the date of the offensive, according to what I've read.

74 posted on 09/17/2007 1:24:55 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Nobody sees me leave.)
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Okay, but if three or four years on we were still fighting in Africa, and not in Germany and Okinawa, what then?


76 posted on 09/17/2007 1:40:13 PM PDT by x
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Training for D-Day and to keep the Suez Canal open.


79 posted on 09/17/2007 5:26:53 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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