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Presidential hopeful Ron Paul sees crises ahead for country
Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, September 15, 2007 | David Postman

Posted on 09/17/2007 1:05:51 PM PDT by presidio9

Texas Congressman Ron Paul said in Seattle on Friday that America is approaching an economic and constitutional crisis due to growing debt, bad trade deals and assaults on personal liberty.

And even if he beat all the odds and won the presidency next year, he said, the problem would be beyond what he alone could fix.

"The time is coming. I believe that the great debate is coming," Paul told more than 400 mostly young people who attended his constitutional lecture at Seattle University.

-SNIP-

The lecture was organized by Seattle University law students. What's the appeal of Paul to the young supporters?

"Everything," said Malisa Gurule, a third-year law student who headed the drive to get Paul on campus.

Gurule, 25, said she had never donated to a presidential candidate until she saw Paul in the Republican debates. She's also never voted in a presidential primary or been involved in a caucus, though she says she will do whatever is needed to help Paul get the GOP nomination.

"He's the only person saying something different," she said. "He's not afraid to attack the status quo."

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 09/17/2007 1:05:52 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Like Perot, maybe he is a spoiler bribed by the Clinton Crowd


2 posted on 09/17/2007 1:07:24 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: presidio9

“crisis due to growing debt, bad trade deals and assaults on personal liberty.”

He was doing so well, then

“And even if he beat all the odds and won the presidency next year, he said, the problem would be beyond what he alone could fix.”

he just sort of petered out.


3 posted on 09/17/2007 1:09:18 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: stubernx98

Paul’s message on Iraq is the same as all of the Democrats: He wants to cut and run. It remains to be seen who he will spoil for.


4 posted on 09/17/2007 1:09:30 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Not the least of which is his victory.


5 posted on 09/17/2007 1:10:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: presidio9

Ron Paul doing great in Seattle. Who would have thought?


6 posted on 09/17/2007 1:10:48 PM PDT by ILS21R
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To: stubernx98

Except he attracts far more lefties than he does conservatives.


7 posted on 09/17/2007 1:12:06 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: presidio9

America sees Presidential hopeful Ron Paul as crises for country


8 posted on 09/17/2007 1:12:14 PM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: presidio9

There is one crisis which can definitely be averted...

...by failing to elect Ron Paul.


9 posted on 09/17/2007 1:13:42 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ILS21R

The place is full of anti-war kooks. He will do very well in Seattle.


10 posted on 09/17/2007 1:14:40 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: stubernx98
Like Perot, maybe he is a spoiler bribed by the Clinton Crowd
I was thinking this, too, but I was also thinking that maybe this time it might just backfire and hurt Clinton. If we all hang together, and don't go falling for the "purity over victory" sentiment that is sometimes expressed in FR.
11 posted on 09/17/2007 1:16:49 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: presidio9

Discontent Conservative voter? I think not.

12 posted on 09/17/2007 1:18:05 PM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender/Suicide Monkey for GOP nominee and a steaming POS)
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To: ILS21R

With his advocacy of antiAmerican antiwar policies, his constant whining about wartime measures necessary to investigate, identify and apprehend our Islamofascist enemies and the domesticong who conspire with them and his role as Al Qaeda mouthpiece in American politics, paleoPaulie is sure to delight not only Seattle but Berserkeley, Yale, Harvard, Manhattan, Gay Francisco, and every other antiAmerican venue in our country. He will be crushed wherever real Americans vote.


13 posted on 09/17/2007 1:18:43 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: presidio9

Unfortunately, he’s probably more right than wrong about the future.

But, as he admits, he’s not the right guy to fix the problems when they come.


14 posted on 09/17/2007 1:18:59 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: pissant

I’d be VERY interested to see how many of these same folks he’d attract if Rep. Paul wasn’t so loudly against the Iraq war, and just stuck with his domestic libertarian/conservative stands. In Seattle, probably very few.

The only good thing I can see coming out of this is if Paul’s anti-war stance gets people “in the door,” so to speak, and interested in his other small-government Constitutionalist ideas. I don’t agree with Paul’s stand on Iraq, but at least I can understand where he comes from, and believe he’s sticking with his principles to oppose it. Problem is, 99% of the strident anti-war folks out there aren’t libertarians or paleocons. They’re America-hating radicals who’d just as soon see this entire country destroyed and remade into some sort of a socialist or Communist state. At least Paul doesn’t want THAT.

}:-)4


15 posted on 09/17/2007 1:19:32 PM PDT by Moose4 (I will never forget. I will never forgive.)
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To: stubernx98

Did he serve shrimp cocktails?


16 posted on 09/17/2007 1:19:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (democrat party - the political wing of Al Qaeda.)
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To: Perdogg

That’s one hell of a vision Gloomy Gus has. He ain’t the next Reagan.


17 posted on 09/17/2007 1:22:40 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Froufrou
...he just sort of petered out.

I believe that's what is commonly refered to as, "APauling..."

18 posted on 09/17/2007 1:24:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: presidio9

Only crises I see is Ron Paul


19 posted on 09/17/2007 1:24:00 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: vetsvette

high five to you.

Our staggering debt, combined with the socialists intent to get the government to provide more while taxing investments out of the country.....will result in national bankruptcy.


20 posted on 09/17/2007 1:26:47 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: pissant

Forgot the </sarc>

Sorry.


21 posted on 09/17/2007 1:27:30 PM PDT by ILS21R
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To: presidio9

Ron Paul supporters marched along side ANSWER this weekend.


22 posted on 09/17/2007 1:28:05 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: lormand
LOL! Pretty much the type I saw down in Iowa.

At some point, the messenger becomes the Message...and Ron Paul has attracted enough zanies...it is almost as if they are trying to discredit the constitutionalist small government view.

23 posted on 09/17/2007 1:30:33 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: presidio9

Hmmmm. I’d probably vote for Paul before I’d vote for Romney. Might vote for Paul before Huckabee just because he seems kind of left wing. Otherwise I’d vote for the other Republican . . .


24 posted on 09/17/2007 1:32:50 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: lormand

It’s good to see that Rosanne is keeping busy after her show went off the air.


25 posted on 09/17/2007 1:34:45 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: presidio9

Which crisis will it be?

The OJ crisis I’m seeing 24/7 on TV?

Or the Britney crisis that even Neil Cavuto seems obsessed with?


26 posted on 09/17/2007 1:34:55 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: lormand
I dunno. Don't judge a book by the cover. I went out for a time in the early 90s with an alterna-chick who had some very interesting crypto-conservative views. I turned her on to American Spectator (this was back in TAS' tabloid-format days), and such writers as PJ O'Rourke, HL Mencken, Edward Banfield, Robert Nisbet, and Russell Kirk. I gave her a copy of Kirk's Confessions of a Bohemian Tory one year for Christmas, and she would tell people from then on, with a straight face, that she was a bohemian Tory.

She ended up going to work in a number of conservative interest groups, and now heads up a rather prominent one. I won't mention her name, but if you saw her today you would never guess that she once organized raves and that she had piercings in some very nontraditional places...

27 posted on 09/17/2007 1:35:36 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Paul Ross
Check out Post # 1 from this website which talks about Barry Manilow being a supporter of Ron Paul.

Barry to Elisabeth: Your "View" is Dangerous

"1. Barry go back on and promote Ron Paul!
Barry, since you support Paul, please go on TV somewhere and talk about him!
Posted at 1:32PM on Sep 17th 2007 by Jacob Weishaupt

28 posted on 09/17/2007 1:36:39 PM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender/Suicide Monkey for GOP nominee and a steaming POS)
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To: Greg F

Note: “Conservative” and “Libertarian” are as different as “Republican” and “Democrat.” A lot of people on this website don’t seem to understand that.


29 posted on 09/17/2007 1:40:19 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: stubernx98
The only crisis I see ahead is the election of a democrat.
30 posted on 09/17/2007 1:42:22 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: airborne; BJClinton
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!
31 posted on 09/17/2007 1:44:36 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: BlackElk

I figure he will run on a third party, the PAAAP (Paul’s Anti-American Appeasement Party). I think it will hurt the democrats more than the Republicans though. The true Republicans who vote, will vote for a pro American who wants to win the war on terror. It is the democrats who want to loose, and they are the only people who would vote for cut and run.


32 posted on 09/17/2007 1:47:21 PM PDT by John D
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To: lormand

GUILTY.


33 posted on 09/17/2007 1:56:24 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't want to find "common ground" with a bunch of damn leftists.)
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To: vetsvette
“Unfortunately, he’s probably more right than wrong about the future.”

I agree. The NWO crowd will eventually bring this country to it’s knees. Can't have all that pesky personal wealth, sovereignty and freedom getting in the way.

34 posted on 09/17/2007 1:58:37 PM PDT by wolfcreek (tagline on holiday)
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To: presidio9
I tell the lefties who like ron paul, that I would trade them the Iraq War for all the rest of Paul's positions. Would they make the trade with me? I'd accept Paul and his anti-war crap, if they would accept that PLUS his Libertarianism on the rest of the issues. Would they? Could they? They usually fall silent, most dont even know what a Libertarian is.

Someone else wrote that at least Paul is sticking to his principles in opposing the Iraq thing. If that were all he was doing, then I'd say more power to him. But the fact is that he has stepped over the line into moonbatism, and for that, he has lost any shred of support I had for him, and I speak as someone who has voted for him for PRESIDENT in a past national election..

35 posted on 09/17/2007 2:01:24 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: presidio9

Corporal punishment back in primary education might help. JMHO


36 posted on 09/17/2007 2:03:32 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: SIDENET

LOL, That conjured up a very disturbing image.


37 posted on 09/17/2007 2:05:45 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: wolfcreek

There were two directions to go when replying to the article. You chose differently than I. I just don’t feel comfortable allowing this guy to address real issues when his fixes are as flawed as his are.

That being said, I agree with your take on this, and the NWO crowd is alive and well even here.


38 posted on 09/17/2007 2:07:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Allegra
Ping for keywords.....

:-)

39 posted on 09/17/2007 2:07:53 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: presidio9

Here at FR, a conservative site, according to founder Jim Robinson, members preferring Ron Paul are currently totaling 5.5% in the poll on the lower right side of the cover page.

Non-members go for Paul at the rate of 20.7

Yet RP gets more threads than any other candidate.

Interesting.


40 posted on 09/17/2007 2:17:27 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (...."We're the govt, and we're here to hurt."....)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Guilty as charged. The one and only reason that I post Ron Paul threads is I enjoy reading 40 or 50 posts about what a complete jackass the good doctor is. I also enjoy hearing from the nutters defending him.


41 posted on 09/17/2007 2:22:53 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: SIDENET
"GUILTY."

Guilty of having an obscene camel toe.

42 posted on 09/17/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender/Suicide Monkey for GOP nominee and a steaming POS)
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To: presidio9

What was your first clue, Rep Paul?


43 posted on 09/17/2007 2:47:42 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: BlackElk
"paleoPaulie is sure to delight not only Seattle but Berserkeley, Yale, Harvard, Manhattan, Gay Francisco, and every other antiAmerican venue in our country. "

don't leave out Jackson Mississippi. I have a dear friend there who thinks RP walks on water and despises Bush. She includes an upside down flag and a quote from Paul in all her emails. He must be a very charismatic man... she literally believes he can do no wrong!

44 posted on 09/17/2007 2:48:43 PM PDT by sweet_diane ("I still come down to talk to me, when the coast is clear." J. Buffett)
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To: presidio9

The major crisis in this country is traitorous appeasing Liberals.


45 posted on 09/17/2007 3:30:38 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: presidio9

Over 7,000,000 views. Please tell me she’s an aspiring actress, and not some demented fan ready to slash her wrists.


46 posted on 09/17/2007 3:43:29 PM PDT by dighton
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To: stubernx98

There is simply no way that the Clinton’s could bribe Ron Paul. I have many issues with the man and I believe his nomination by the GOP would be an unmitigated electoral disaster but I do not believe the man could be bribed.


47 posted on 09/17/2007 4:03:50 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Support Ron Paul. He's against abortion just like he's against earmarks. Sometimes.)
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To: lormand

(shudder)


48 posted on 09/17/2007 5:11:09 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't want to find "common ground" with a bunch of damn leftists.)
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To: dighton
Over 7,000,000 views. Please tell me she’s an aspiring actress, and not some demented fan ready to slash her wrists

I'm not sure, but I think that the creature in the video was a male.

49 posted on 09/17/2007 5:13:10 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't want to find "common ground" with a bunch of damn leftists.)
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To: DugwayDuke; All

Unless they bribed him with Shrimp earmarks......


50 posted on 09/17/2007 5:17:35 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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