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Graduates Know Even Less About History (Take The Quiz!)
Madison.com ^ | September 19, 2007 | Anita Weier

Posted on 09/19/2007 5:48:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The University of Wisconsin-Madison did relatively well in a 50-college test of how much students learned about history and economics during four years of college, but students in Wisconsin and nationally knew little when they came in and not much more when they left. No college did better than a D-plus on the Civic Literacy Test released Tuesday by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a nonpartisan conservative educational organization that stresses the values of a free society.

The national average was F.

The test of 14,000 randomly selected students revealed that some of the most expensive Ivy League universities, with the highest-paid presidents and largest government subsidies, were the worst-performing, the institute found.

Overall, the nation's freshmen and seniors scored slightly more than 50 percent on the 60-question exam. The institute said that a kindergartner would have scored about 20 percent correct just by guessing.

The study tested freshmen and seniors at the colleges and universities, in order to determine how much history they learned there. The researchers did not test the same students in freshmen and senior years, but those who were freshmen and seniors in the same year.

Eastern Connecticut State University ranked first, by adding 9.65 percentage points to the score from freshman to senior year. Marian College, a private school in Fond du Lac, was second, with a 9.44 percentage point gain, while the University of Wisconsin-Madison ranked 15th, gaining 6.3 percentage points.

UW-Madison and Marian College were the only Wisconsin schools tested.

Living in the present

Asked about the exercise, David McDonald, chairman of the History Department at UW-Madison, termed the test interesting but questioned the institute's conclusions.

Students generally learn basic history in high school, he said, adding that they often study historical details in order to pass college entry exams, but then go on to pursue other knowledge at the college level.

"Colleges reflect general attitudes and patterns in society. This is not a historically oriented society. We look at quarterly reports instead of long trends. There is a lot of emphasis on living in the present, and not a great deal of understanding of larger historical patterns," said McDonald, who grew up in Canada but got just three wrong on the American history exam.

"There is a mythical past in which everyone knew this material. If you are from a well-to-do household with well-educated parents, you will do well on this and other academic areas. Students should probably know the sequence of events in the Civil War. But is it more important for Americans to know that John Locke was a major influence on the Declaration of Independence or that they have a strong understanding of their rights and be willing to act on them?"

Students at several expensive universities, including Yale, Cornell, Princeton and Duke, actually lost ground during four years of college education.

But the median score of students at those prestigious universities was higher than most colleges where students gained more knowledge during their college career.

For instance, freshman at Yale got 68.94 percent of the answers right and those at Cornell got 61.9 percent correct, though seniors did worse in both cases.

UW-Madison freshmen scored 51.57 percent correct and seniors got 57.87 percent. At Marian College, freshmen scored just 33.66 percent and seniors 43.10 percent.

Gorbachev who?

The test consisted of 60 multiple-choice questions about America's history, government, international relations and economics. The test, the answers and the results at the various colleges can be found online at http://www.americancivicliteracy.org

Typical questions included: "The Constitution of the United States established what form of government?" and "Which wall was President Reagan referring to when he said, 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall'?" The test also included some questions on the U.S. economy and political philosophy.

"The evidence from our ongoing research shows that colleges, especially the most expensive and elite schools, are failing to advance students' knowledge of America's history, government and free market economics and consequently not preparing their students to be informed and engaged citizens," said Josiah Bunting III, chairman of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board.

"The time has come for higher education's key decision-makers -- state legislators, trustees, donors, alumni, faculty, students' parents -- to hold the nation's colleges and their presidents accountable for teaching their students America's history and institutions."

McDonald said nationwide, students who took the test did well on questions regarding Abraham Lincoln, the New Deal and Brown vs. Board of Education, and did worst on the Revolutionary War, Plato and the requirement for a just war, a question that he said was strangely phrased.

Students who study history in college learn that events are the results of several levels of cause, and that people are products of their times, McDonald said.

"They learn that evidence must be scrutinized and viewed with skepticism," he said. "Our job is to produce people who can do critical thinking, who are aware that they hold certain views and understand why."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: academia; amiabledunces; civicstest; competency; educatedmorons; highereducation; hillsdale; historyeducation; illiteracy; madisonwi
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

85%


161 posted on 09/19/2007 7:40:59 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You answered 53 out of 60 correctly — 88.33 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%

The history I did well on...the philosophy, less so. I have not read Toqueville or Plato. Economics I also did less well on.

I thought some of the questions were very strange.


162 posted on 09/19/2007 7:41:48 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: NYFreeper

I thought we were a slight net loser in that one, but “stalemate” was the closest they gave and close enough.


163 posted on 09/19/2007 7:43:38 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Dumpster Baby

Same here,

(But at least we beat Harvard!)


164 posted on 09/19/2007 7:44:32 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: rlmorel
Did anyone besides me see a bias in some of the questions concerning social issues and the military.
165 posted on 09/19/2007 7:46:13 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Graduates Know Even Less About History”

Something known even to historian/writer David McCullogh, as noted in
this exerpt from “Imprimis” of April 2005 from his speech titled
“Knowing History and Knowing Who We Are”.
URL for the article:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2005&month=04

Our Failure, Our Duty
We are raising a generation of young Americans who are by-and-large
historically illiterate. And it’s not their fault. There have been
innumerable studies, and there’s no denying it. I’ve experienced it
myself again and again. I had a young woman come up to me after a
talk one morning at the University of Missouri to tell me that she
was glad she came to hear me speak, and I said I was pleased
she had shown up.

She said, ”Yes, I’m very pleased, because until now I never understood that
all of the 13 colonies —the original 13 colonies—were on the east coast.“

Now you hear that and you think: What in the world have we done?
How could this young lady, this wonderful young American, become a
student at a fine university and not know that?

I taught a seminar at Dartmouth of seniors majoring in history,
honor students, 25 of them. The first morning we sat down and I said,

”How many of you know who George Marshall was?“

Not one.

There was a long silence and finally one young man asked,
”Did he have, maybe, something to do with the Marshall Plan?“
And I said yes, he certainly did, and that’s a good place to begin
talking about George Marshall.


166 posted on 09/19/2007 7:46:39 PM PDT by VOA
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To: NYFreeper
I disagree on the War of 1812 answer, anybody else?

ABSOLUTELY!

If fighting the only real superpower on earth at the time to a stalemate doesn't establish one as real player I don't know what would!

167 posted on 09/19/2007 7:47:20 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Statistics still rolling in

Sample size 84
Average 86% (51.4)
Std. Dev. 8% (4.9)

Still looking great
Future leaders of America must know their past


168 posted on 09/19/2007 7:48:20 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You answered 56 out of 60 correctly — 93.33 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #19 - C. philosopher kings.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans.
Question #60 - B. social security.


169 posted on 09/19/2007 7:49:18 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

57 of 60


170 posted on 09/19/2007 7:50:31 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: eyedigress
I never took any econ classes. Getting the correct answer on Keynesian economics was a consequence of reading on FR. I took the test just to see how I would do after neglecting the topic for 36 years. My daily work is tied up in real time operating systems, digital signal processing and data communications. I'll endeavor to raise the average when we have a group test on those topics.
171 posted on 09/19/2007 7:50:52 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: VOA

Hillsdale has been brought up twice during this discussion. Which represents Hillsdale?


172 posted on 09/19/2007 7:51:44 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

56/60 93.33%


173 posted on 09/19/2007 7:52:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Doh! Plato and Jamestown Ooops! You answered 55 out of 60 correctly — 91.67 % Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0% Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0% You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average.
174 posted on 09/19/2007 7:52:12 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: eyedigress

86.67% My score was not a result of my formal education but the fact that politics, government, economics and business interest me and therefore I read about them constantly.


175 posted on 09/19/2007 7:53:03 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: OKIEDOC

I am not sure about bias, but...I thought some questions were worded very strangely, and the inclusion of some questions was weird. I admit I consider myself very well versed in history, but I don’t understand why they have questions on Keynesian economics in there.


176 posted on 09/19/2007 7:54:13 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Petronski
I just took it. The first question I missed because I misread one of the answers. The second question I just didn't know the answer to at all. I couldn't even weed out a couple of probables.
You answered 58 out of 60 correctly — 96.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average.

If you have any comments or questions about the quiz, please email americancivicliteracy@isi.org.You can consult the following table to see how freshmen and seniors scored on each question as part of the survey administration.

Where to from here?

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans.

177 posted on 09/19/2007 7:55:23 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Myrddin

That you did. I have the same problem. Dealing with fires on my own systems which probably generate more than 5 mill a year will keep you “specialized” for a while.


178 posted on 09/19/2007 7:55:39 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Kevmo
I got 6/8 correct on the 8th grade history quiz - and I'm a history buff.
179 posted on 09/19/2007 7:56:35 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

89 replies

Average 86% (51.6)
Std. Dev. 8% (4.8)

He does not remember his history
is bound to repeat it


180 posted on 09/19/2007 7:57:56 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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