Posted on 9/20/2007, 3:49:56 PM by 3AngelaD
"We're fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here" has become a hymn for the American right... But drowned out by all the noise is the fact that "they" are here already and have gotten very busy indeed constructing the American wing of jihad.
Have you watched the Arabic Channel, also known as TAC, which serves the New York region? Probably not. But if you are among the estimated 1 million viewers — legal and illegal, new and old Arabic-speaking immigrants to the tri-state area...
TAC's ownership and funding are, to put it mildly, ambiguous. What is clear is that someone is funding this Islamist Trojan Horse already anchored inside the American fortress. Another Islamist Trojan vehicle that was once quietly thriving in America is the now infamous Holy Land Foundation...It is naïve to not recognize the fusion between such militant proselytizing and the message spread by TAC.
... unquestionably part of the same process of spreading militancy among immigrant Arab communities was the Debbie Almontaser episode of the Khalil Gibran School saga...The common task among all these organizations and individuals is to instill the notion there are no Arab-Americans, only Muslim Americans.
What follows next is the "community's" eventual embrace of jihad against the values and policies of the majority infidel. This is what has taken place in Britain among native British subjects of Muslim origin...
...a friend in the national security community in Washington told me that there "are no vehicles nor a body of laws" to stop or monitor that other kind of slow implantation...Maybe Congress should find a way to legislate asking such well placed outfits as TAC, Holy Land, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations a question: Who, pray tell, are you working for, gentlemen?
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Said Mr. McKinley: "and there are 5 million light poles to hang them from".
” And it takes a guy named YOUSSEF IBRAHIM to spell it out for us.”
just 3 to fix it though, Colt, Smith and Wesson
What is Islam based on?
Mohammed went into “trances” and fits (like epileptic fits) when he was given the “word of God” and would shout out what he was told. These would be written down by his followers. This is the makeup of the Koran.
When Mohammed was just walking and talking and acting like “normal”, his words and deeds were written down by his followers and this went into the Hadith. Now, acting “normal” for Mohammed was taking 12+ wives (including a 6 year old), taking slaves (including sex slaves), executing infidels, conducting raids for treasure, etc.
Now, this is where it gets complicated.
A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).
Now, how Mohammed determined which verses were from God and which were from Satan I do not know.
Also, there were literally dozens of widely different versions of the Koran and Hadith floating around for several hundred years after Mohammed death until a Fatwah was decreed to destroy all but one version. Now, even Mohammed could not remember what he was told by God and forgot it (those are his words as written in the Hadith) so I do not know how the powers in charge decided which was the correct version.
Also according to the Hadith, Mohammed turned people into monkeys, you can determine a child’s sex depending on whether the male or female has an orgasm first (that advice came directly from the Angel Gabriel), dogs and cats are evil and should be killed, that the devil lives in your nose at night (and how to get rid of him in the morning), chess is forbidden, muslims have one intestine while infidels have seven, don’t pray looking up or your eyes will be snatched away, that one wing of a fly is poison but the other is the cure, that drinking camel urine is good for you and I could go on.
And that Mohammed himself didn’t even know if he was going to heaven. If even Mohammed doesn’t know, what chance does the average muslim have?
And for some non-PC info, Mohammed was described as a white man.
Now, if you can bear it, to compare to the Gospels of New Testament.
Jesus was someone who lived a very humble life and was killed for basically saying he was a King and Son of God (blasphemy) by the powers in charge (Roman and Jewish). The government wanted Jesus destroyed and wanted his growing movement destroyed (as it threatened their power). If, after 3 days, the followers of Jesus proclaimed he has risen from the dead, (just as he predicted), and is truly our Savior, the High Officials would have wanted to destroy such a “myth.” They could have easily done this by producing the dead body of Jesus and saying “Your Messiah is still dead and so is your movement” or producing many eye witnesses of the dead Jesus. But they couldn’t.
The letters that make up the New Testament were written by the eye witnesses of the events of Jesus. They were written in just one generation when many other eye witnesses were still alive. They were written without collusion from other Apostles. Even if any of the Apostles wanted to “add” to the “myth” of Jesus, they would have done so in a very disjointed and easily detectable fashion. Yet, the main Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that describe the life of Jesus are amazingly in harmony with one another and the small differences are consistent with what we would see today if four people witnessed a major event and wrote about the event apart from each other. The Gospels can be traced back to their sources and are basically unchanged from their originals.
The Bible (especially the New Testament) is the most investigated historical document in the history of the world. It has been investigated by scientists, philosophers and archeologists using technology undreamed of when the Bible was written. It is been desperately tried to be “disproved” for over 2000 years, yet, the Bible still stands as the truth.
The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.
Regards,
2banana
PS - There are many topics that could be compared - The stories of a adulterous woman is found in both the Bible and Koran. They seem to sum up each religion.
Christianity
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:1-11)
Islam
There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Gamid and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.’ He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: ‘Allah’s messenger, why do you turn me away? ... By Allah I have become pregnant.’ He said ‘Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth.’ When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag, and said ‘Here is the child whom I have given birth to.’ He said ‘Go away and suckle him until you wean him.’ When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said ‘Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.’ He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest
Islam
There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Gamid and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.’ He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: ‘Allah’s messenger, why do you turn me away? ... By Allah I have become pregnant.’ He said ‘Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth.’ When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag, and said ‘Here is the child whom I have given birth to.’ He said ‘Go away and suckle him until you wean him.’ When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said ‘Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.’ He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. (Sahih Muslim 4206)
Yes, they are here, and thanks to PC, they will carry out their plans.
Thank you for your clear and concise post.
But more importantly, the 5 million Germans did not turn against their adoptive country - something we cannot be certain of when it comes to the Muslim.
“The Islamist Trojan Horse”
At one time, when the first Muslims entered the country they could be regarded as a Trojan Horse. Today, they are a clear and present danger as are the politicians who promote Muslim immigration.
But perhaps I am wrong - most politicians still claim that Islam is a ROP. Who am I to doubt their word?
This article poster totally sums up their method of war.
the reason we dismiss them so easy, and make fun of them living in their caves etc is because they are an invisible army. on 9/10 for example, there was no announcement, just ppl trained by them doing a hijack.
their WHOLE tactic is this, the trojan horse. from what i’ve read, they started putting ppl in the states before 9/11 for something. so, they have families, are your neighbors, have jobs in many places. this is their tactic!! does anybody get this yet? their method of war is from the inside out..
but this trojan horse is technological, i don’t see good days coming. im an optimist or try to be but they are very underestimated because they are under the radar..
just stay safe, i feel hurt if i see a hungry cat, i don’t want to see one more human hurt. but with their methodology, they are really invisible, their army by foxnews last year was quoted as being about 60,000.
i’ve said it before, cuz of the net and the advancement of technology we’ve become to enveloped in our constant stream of vivid media, meanwhile these guys are coming over and simply blending it. yet, what if one has their finger on a bigtime trigger? thats what spooks me.
AQ is totally trojan horse.
-hunter
But don’t you get it? Liberal whacknuts will defend their right to set up shop in America and spout all their hatred and only after they have set of 10 dirty bombs or whatever will they have a clue. And their stupid response will be....I didn’t think this would happen! Just as the liberal judges stick pedophiles back in our communities they cast a blind eye to the terrorists amongst us!
Jihad!...Coming soon to a street corner near you!
I think Americans miss the danger inherent in Islam by thinking of the ROP as just another religion. America operates on the notion that everybody works all week, then on (their) Sabbath they go to (their) church, and that’s the end of it. You go to your church, I go to mine, or don’t go at all if you wish, and everything is just ducky. Government is required to remain at arm’s length, which is good.
The mortal danger of Islam lies in the fact that Islam is NOT another religion. (The “good” Muslims treat it as just another religion, but even one percent of the rest is too many.) Islam carries its own form of government (the Caliphate), its own legal system (Sharia), and a philosophy of world domination by any means, including violence.
If Islam were just another religion, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But since Islam is an aggressive nation unto itself and will neither negotiate nor retreat, our only choices are war or surrender. There is no third option, unless a Muslim Reformation takes place and whole chapters of the Koran are set aside and ignored for all of eternity.
Until then ... lock and load. No other choice.
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Islam is an aggressive, conquest-oriented political system and not a religion. Hitler too tried to start a “religion” around Nazism to give it the trappings of ritual, etc., but he was not around long enough to succeed.
Mohammed was more successful, for various historical reasons, but the fact remains that the syncretist “religious” aspect of Islam is just a device for imposing total and lasting control upon a people after it has been militarily conquered by Muslims. Islam is actually a racist political cult aimed at Arab domination of the world, something that can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs continue to attack non-Arab Muslims as well as non-Muslims in at attempt to retain their superiority in the cult.
Islam is not a religion.
Some Imams have ruled that only an all-Islamic society ruled by a Shari'a law government can be dar al-Islam. However more recently there have been rulings that say dar al-Islam is anyplace where Islam can be practiced freely and openly, with no fear or harassment, even if the place has a secular (US) government that doesn't recognize Shari'a law.
In dar al-Islam, everything is supposed to be peace and submission, so the key fatwa is that as long as we allow complete, open practice of Islam and allow them to settle their affairs by Islamic law and don't complain about any escalation, they are not supposed to attack the infidel country. But there's the rub.
If anyone protests the loud prayers 5 times a day, or says face veils are not allowed, or profiles a mosque, or in ANY WAY seeks to restrict Muslims from freely doing exactly what they please (and that definitely includes Da'wa, inviting new converts into the mosque), then the place reverts back to dar al-harb and we can be attacked.
This is much like the "invitation to Islam" they deliver before they are permitted to attack. Basically, the only way they CAN avoid attacking us is if we utterly submit, or at least allow them to completely take over and dhimmitize us. Any other response from us and we are the enemy.
It's a pretty extreme faith that requires submission or death. I don't want to see it spread over here at all. Not sure what we can do about it legally though.
Yes indeed. And we don’t need the Feds or police to put bullets in the heads of jihadi combatants. The leadership of AQ, Mulsim Brotherhood and Hezbollah may be evil and cunning, but the average Muslim gangster in NJ knows lots of us own very big guns. If they begin their ‘blessed jihad’ in our schools and hospitals, they die. No, they will create another terror spectacular using a dirty bomb or chemical weapon in NYC or D.C. Perhaps that will wake the left up enough to realize the WOT is more then a bumper sticker.
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