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Rapeseed biofuel "produces more greenhouse gas than oil or petrol"
TimesOnline - UK ^ | September 22, 2007 | Lewis Smith

Posted on 09/22/2007 7:49:39 PM PDT by bobsunshine

A renewable energy source designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is contributing more to global warming than fossil fuels, a study suggests.

Measurements of emissions from the burning of biofuels derived from rapeseed and maize have been found to produce more greenhouse gas emissions than they save.

Other biofuels, especially those likely to see greater use over the next decade, performed better than fossil fuels but the study raises serious questions about some of the most commonly produced varieties.

Rapeseed and maize biodiesels were calculated to produce up to 70 per cent and 50 per cent more greenhouse gases respectively than fossil fuels. The concerns were raised over the levels of emissions of nitrous oxide, which is 296 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Scientists found that the use of biofuels released twice as much as nitrous oxide as previously realised. The research team found that 3 to 5 per cent of the nitrogen in fertiliser was converted and emitted. In contrast, the figure used by the International Panel on Climate Change, which assesses the extent and impact of man-made global warming, was 2 per cent. The findings illustrated the importance, the researchers said, of ensuring that measures designed to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions are assessed thoroughly before being hailed as a solution.

“One wants rational decisions rather than simply jumping on the bandwagon because superficially something appears to reduce emissions,” said Keith Smith, a professor at the University of Edinburgh and one of the researchers.

Maize for ethanol is the prime crop for biofuel in the US where production for the industry has recently overtaken the use of the plant as a food. In Europe the main crop is rapeseed, which accounts for 80 per cent of biofuel production.

Professor Smith told Chemistry World: “The significance of it is that the supposed benefits of biofuels are even more disputable than had been thought hitherto.”

It was accepted by the scientists that other factors, such as the use of fossil fuels to produce fertiliser, have yet to be fully analysed for their impact on overall figures. But they concluded that the biofuels “can contribute as much or more to global warming by N2 O emissions than cooling by fossil-fuel savings”.

The research is published in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, where it has been placed for open review. The research team was formed of scientists from Britain, the US and Germany, and included Professor Paul Crutzen, who won a Nobel Prize for his work on ozone.

Dr Franz Conen, of the University of Basel in Switzerland, described the study as an “astounding insight”.

“It is to be hoped that those taking decisions on subsidies and regulations will in future take N2O emissions into account and promote some forms of ’biofuel’ production while quickly abandoning others,” he told the journal’s discussion board.

Dr Dave Reay, of the University of Edinburgh, used the findings to calculate that with the US Senate aiming to increase maize ethanol production sevenfold by 2022, greenhouse gas emissions from transport will rise by 6 per cent.


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KEYWORDS: acceptedknowledge; agw; biofuel; biofuels; energy; globalwarming; greenhouse
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1 posted on 09/22/2007 7:49:43 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

so what?

anything that cuts the ragheads out of the deal is good.


2 posted on 09/22/2007 7:53:22 PM PDT by djxu456
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To: bobsunshine

Maize = CORN.


3 posted on 09/22/2007 8:02:32 PM PDT by orchid (Defeat is worse than death, you have to LIVE with defeat.)
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To: bobsunshine
And speaking of "bio-fuels" and "greenhouse gasses," has anybody ever brought up the very simple fact that ethanol produces less energy than gasoline when used in an internal combustion engine, so your mileage is reduced. Which means you need to burn MORE of it, increasing the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses than you would if you just burned gasoline alone.

Mark

4 posted on 09/22/2007 8:04:00 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: bobsunshine

Because of the political correct folks, Rapeseed is now called Canola.


5 posted on 09/22/2007 8:07:02 PM PDT by mirado ('...)
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To: MarkL

so what?
I would gladly fill-up every 200 miles, (instead of 300)

to cut the ragheads out of the deal

for the record, because of current pricing, E85 is not a good deal, however, that could change


6 posted on 09/22/2007 9:08:25 PM PDT by djxu456
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To: mirado

That wasn’t political correctness, that was marketing on the part of Canadian farmers.

Rapeseed oil was known all the way back into the 50’s to have questionable properties as a fry oil, in particular high erucic fatty acid content.

So Canadian farm groups started breeding a brassica family oilseed that had better nutritional qualities than classic rapes.

And the result is called “Canola.” While is is true that Canola is a particular variety of rape, it isn’t true that any rapeseed oil can be called “canola oil.”


7 posted on 09/23/2007 12:29:38 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: bobsunshine

I think the biofuels quest is the wrong direction. Although the genetic research to increasing crop yields is valuable. So even if we never use the science for biofuels at least it should benefit humanity.

We really only need oil for transportation, and that is because of oil’s ultra high energy density. Any fixed use energy needs we can meet with nuclear, and worst case coal.

And we’re probably only 5 years away from a plug-in hybrid vehicle. 80% of America’s gasoline useage is in trips less then 20 miles. Therefore plug-in hybrids with a range of 20 miles would reduce our total vehicle gasoline use by nearing 80%.


8 posted on 09/23/2007 12:39:16 AM PDT by ran20
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To: MarkL

Ethanol is dead, or at least dead man walking. Butanol will be the renewable fuel of the future, and it has a energy level much closer to gasoline, plus other positive properties.

With the new advances in battery technology, I think we need to move to battery cars, either by plug-in or fuel to a generator or fuel cell to charge the battery.


9 posted on 09/23/2007 2:50:33 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: bobsunshine; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

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10 posted on 09/23/2007 5:52:55 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: djxu456
...anything that cuts the ragheads out of the deal is good.

Not if I have to subsidize it with higher taxes.

11 posted on 09/23/2007 6:37:24 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: ran20
And we’re probably only 5 years away from a plug-in hybrid vehicle.

Trading the oil companies for the public utilities is a step in the wrong direction.

12 posted on 09/23/2007 6:40:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: djxu456
anything that cuts the ragheads out of the deal is good

I share the sentiment. However, as long as there is oil in the ME, the ragheads will be in the deal. Alternative fuels will compete with oil at best, they will not replace it.

Even if we were to completely stop using oil, that means there is cheap oil for the rest of the world and the ME thugs will still make a killing financially and physically.

We will always be their target because of who we are and what we represent. This is why I cannot understand the Kumbaya peace lover dimocrats trying to lose the WOT. If we lost and became muslim, sharia law would probably round up the gays and degenerates first.

13 posted on 09/23/2007 6:54:40 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: SteamShovel

I don’t really get the liberals who love muslims.. it shows how deep their hatred of western civilization is I guess.

But honestly if we went muslim it sure wouldn’t hurt me. I look at muslim nations and they have much lower taxes, sometimes 0%.. because ‘God decides who is rich’. Not only could I marry multiple women legally.. but I wouldn’t have to worry about a wife leaving me through divorce. One of the crown jewels of liberalism is easy divorce laws.


14 posted on 09/23/2007 8:17:19 AM PDT by ran20
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To: orchid

Rapeseed = canola


15 posted on 09/23/2007 8:18:31 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: bobsunshine

..??..how come I just suddenly got the urge to drive 20 miles for a Italian Hot Dog at Jimmy Buffs

..(fellow north Jerseyans will understand Jimmy Buffs)

16 posted on 09/23/2007 9:40:34 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: djxu456
anything that cuts the ragheads out of the deal is good.

The master plan is to use up all of their oil before starting on ours.

17 posted on 09/23/2007 8:22:06 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

bankrupting the US, in the process
no thanks.

........................
Bush has already throwm Newt’s majority away.


18 posted on 09/23/2007 9:22:53 PM PDT by djxu456
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To: NVDave

Thanks for the correction. I was going off of what I was told by several farmers, without verifying it independently.

Interestingly, however, I haven’t heard of any rapeseed grown, in recent history, up in Canada, at least not in my neck of the woods.


19 posted on 09/24/2007 2:09:50 PM PDT by mirado ('...)
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To: bobsunshine

Rapeseed = Canola Oil.


20 posted on 09/24/2007 2:12:30 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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