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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Premeires tonight at 8pm on PBS. 7 part series


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KEYWORDS: donottrust; donottrustpbs; donttrust; donttrustpbs; kenburns; militaryhistory; pbs; wwii; wwiihistory
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To: VOA
I believe the two Carlson's raiders were the Latinos that were added to the film after complaints by Hispanic groups that they were represented. I still find it hard to believe that 500,000 Hispanics served as part of the 16 million who served in uniform despite being only 1.5% of the general population.
141 posted on 09/23/2007 7:31:00 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sageb1
There have been times during this show when I’ve had tears running
down my cheeks.


You're not alone.

Pretty moving. Despite a bit of objectionable PC-influenced commentary.

Just a D-MNED Shame this wasn't done when Burns was getting his
company rolling. When a lot of the major actors could still speak
for themselves.
142 posted on 09/23/2007 7:31:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

who needs major actors when there is real flesh and blood.
I am even more proud of my dad after seeing that. It was something he never talked about. Just did what was right he would say.


143 posted on 09/23/2007 7:33:05 PM PDT by donnab
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To: blu
Dammit, President Bush, I WANT to buy war bonds. I want to support this war in a personal manner. And dammit, if you tell me one more time to support the war effort by “keeping the economy going”, there will be a divorce in this household! DH doesn’t “get” how buying shoes and yarn helps us beat the terrorists! ;)

LOL. Now you are getting the message. And why can't we buy war bonds, or at least pay higher taxes?

145 posted on 09/23/2007 7:33:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: go-dubya-04

Hey, the guy who said that was speaking for himself. Fer gawd’s sake, the guy lived in Minnesota!! He said that’s why HE joined.


146 posted on 09/23/2007 7:35:51 PM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
I’ve actually learned a lot from tonight’s show. Had no idea that the German’s blew up American oil tankers in the Gulf of Mexico.

Brutal, horrible reality, but I really haven’t seen much bias.

My dad, Pearl Harbor survivor and life long conservative always said the what happened to the Japanese Americans during the war was a big disgrace. I think it was an honest telling of what happened to these people following Pearl Harbor.

147 posted on 09/23/2007 7:37:05 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: higgmeister
I turned it on just for the last two minutes and sure enough, I see heard them say, “stay tuned for next week... as America redefines Freedom”, and they flash a picture of Japanese behind barbed wire.
148 posted on 09/23/2007 7:37:25 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: kabar

“I still find it hard to believe that 500,000 Hispanics served as
part of the 16 million who served in uniform despite being only
1.5% of the general population.”

I can’t really speak to the actual demographics.
But while living in Los Angeles during the past decade or so,
I maybe read The Los Angeles Times (for opposition research!)
two or three times a week, at the most.

BUT, more than a few times there were obituaries of Hispanic/Latinos
and Japanese-Americans...and some pretty FREAKIN’ UNBELIEVABLE
accounts of their service in WWII.

As I said, I don’t know about the strict demographics of the service
of these sectors of American society.
But I can say that in the north-central area of Oklahoma my father grew
up in, military service was virtually “de rigeur” for the Indians
(oops, “Native Americans”) that he grew up with, mostly Tonkawas
and Poncas.


149 posted on 09/23/2007 7:38:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: submarinerswife

We thought it was pretty good.

(I liked the part where the guy was telling the story of being assigned to go out and collect the bodies of the Marines who had been decapitated and their bodies mutilated. He said the regiment never took a prisoner after that.)


150 posted on 09/23/2007 7:39:06 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: blu

I am with you Blu....and I had the same reaction with the Norah song , it was something my dad would have said.
Want to do something in a personal manner? ...lots of troop support links available.
This one is a good place to start.
http://www.spiritofamerica.net/


151 posted on 09/23/2007 7:39:30 PM PDT by donnab
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Pal I don’t like either one of them and I do consider them medicore talent at best and that comes not only from me but people who did play and played well.

You might have an elevated view of "mediocre." If the Marsalis brothers were on the bandstand next to Bix, or Diz, or Bird, or Satch, or Monk, they'd get cut. That would be a case of talent vs. genius. But "mediocre" is not a word I would apply to the worst soloist at the Metropolitan Opera.

Even in the most competitive Golden Age of jazz, the Marsalises might not have been star soloists, but they would have, at the very least, been second-chair in a top band or first chair in a smaller band. Reliable session cats. Like the vast majority of talented, highly skilled, professional musicians at any time in history. It isn't fair to label any cellist "mediocre" whose name doesn't end in Ma.

I don't listen to a whole lot of the Maraslis brothers, honestly. They're not very adventurous, and I tend to like my jazz out on the edge -- Monk, Mingus, Coltrane, Miles, and so on. Brubeck. I don't listen to that much poresent-day jazz, because too many "keepers of the flame" are as much historians as artists, and treat the music like a museum display. Frankly, why would I want to listen to someone trying to play like Satch when I can just listen to Satch?

Oh, and Kenny G wouldn't know jazz if it rolled up in a New Orleans second line and bit him on his talentless ass. That's not really relevant to what we're talking about, but it has to be said.

152 posted on 09/23/2007 7:39:31 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: higgmeister
I turned it on just for the last two minutes

Well, there ya go. Your prejudices were confirmed, and you didn't even have to watch the whole show! Lucky you.

153 posted on 09/23/2007 7:39:36 PM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: blu

No, he said why “we” joined and why “you” wanted to escape the boredom.


154 posted on 09/23/2007 7:39:44 PM PDT by go-dubya-04
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To: go-dubya-04
Now, now, don’t make yourself sick!

Honestly, you think every single man that joined did so because of patriotism??

I’m sure that there were a few farm boys here and there who looked at the war as a way to get out of the corn fields and see other parts of the world they never thought they’d have a chance to see.

155 posted on 09/23/2007 7:40:36 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: VOA

One of my daughters visited with her family this afternoon. Her children are only 3 and 5. I said I hoped she was teaching her children about how good this country is; about patriotism, etc. She looked at me, then asked her five-year old if she said the Pledge every day at school. Evie nodded. Then she asked if she knew what it meant. Evie said no. I told my daughter that I prayed she would teach her children well because the schools will do all they can to destroy the very rational and unwavering love this country deserves from its citizens.


156 posted on 09/23/2007 7:41:15 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: donnab

“who needs major actors when there is real flesh and blood.”

I was not clear!
When I said “major actors”, I meant those who REALLY
participated (”acted”) in WWII (not the film stars that portrayed them!).

Sorry about that...I was being a little too slick with my terminology!


157 posted on 09/23/2007 7:41:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: blu

And his comments on “concentration camps” were absurd on their face. Just a liberal P-BSer who wants to come off as so enlightened to all his Minnesota comrades.


158 posted on 09/23/2007 7:42:04 PM PDT by go-dubya-04
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To: higgmeister

You’re cheating yourself if you judge it just by that.

It was actually put together pretty well. JMHO


159 posted on 09/23/2007 7:42:14 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: VOA

I rather enjoyed the part where Hollywood was shown as a bastion of patriotism.


160 posted on 09/23/2007 7:43:04 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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