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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Premeires tonight at 8pm on PBS. 7 part series


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To: submarinerswife

It looks like an excellent series, so far. Of course it’s only the beginning, but I thoroughly enjoyed “The Civil War” series. Ken Burns is doing another wonderful job on this one. He truly has a way of bringing the personal into the story without making it maudlin.


161 posted on 09/23/2007 7:44:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: KosmicKitty

I would not have had a problem if he made it clear that he was speaking for himself but he never said “I”, he said “we” and “you”, thus making the statement that it was a common emotion.
I said that the “vast majority” joined for patriotic reasons, not everyone.


162 posted on 09/23/2007 7:44:58 PM PDT by go-dubya-04
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To: KosmicKitty
I live in Alabama and you are correct. I have talked with old men who said that they went to war to escape life on the farm. That does not make them any less of a patriot in my eyes.
163 posted on 09/23/2007 7:46:43 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: VOA

LOL is ok ...I get it.
Many of that day at least in my experience did not tell the tales nor would talk about what they had experienced. They focused on the victory and what it meant for the world and were proud of the fact they played in their terms ...a small part in making it happen.
Those were MEN. Our job is to make them live on.
I learned alot tonight..things I never knew. I am looking forward to the next installment.


164 posted on 09/23/2007 7:47:28 PM PDT by donnab
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To: blu
Hey, the guy who said that was speaking for himself. Fer gawd’s sake, the guy lived in Minnesota!! He said that’s why HE joined.

True, but his was the only interview stating why people joined up. This implies, at least in my book, that this was a mainstream point of view. When in reality, it was very most definitely not the norm., according to most people who were there at the time.

If this was the only show you saw about WW2, as it might be in the future, in say ,a high school, you'd come away with a vastly different view of why people joined.

Why, you might think they just joined because they didn't have any other opportunities, which is often the reason the left gives as the reason young men join the service today.

What a striking co-inkydink that is !

165 posted on 09/23/2007 7:47:43 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: sageb1

“I rather enjoyed the part where Hollywood was shown as a bastion of patriotism.”

As I say, who needs fiction?

Truth about past history is often MUCH MORE FANTASTIC than we can imagine!

Such as the concept of modestly-Pro-America Hollywood!!!


166 posted on 09/23/2007 7:47:51 PM PDT by VOA
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To: submarinerswife

My daughter is homeschooling her stepdaughter and the just covered The Boston Tea Party.all about angry Americans that threw tea over board as they were mad at The King(no mention of taxes). and then everybody just got along...My blood pressure is still over the top!!!


167 posted on 09/23/2007 7:48:47 PM PDT by GregB (Please pray for my grandchildren,Anna and Jacob!!!)
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To: Red Boots

“One interviewee just said our men joined the service not out of patriotism but because they were bored and needed excitement”

I would say that for some that was probably true and probably still is. It may not be what we want to hear, but it is reality. I know one young man who joined up a year ago after his girlfriend, with whom he’d had a child, left him. Some amount of fatalistic thinking probably was a reason he signed up. But whatever the reason, I think he will become stronger and a better man as a result of serving his country.


168 posted on 09/23/2007 7:50:34 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: kabar
The message I got was diversity--loud and clear. It is good so long as you keep the perspective that it applies to the 4 stated towns and boys from those towns. As such, the taking of Guadalcanal, for example, was given totally to the marines and ultimately to the Navy. Absolutely no mention of the Air Force. So--this has to be viewed from a very narrow perspective. At least that is how I saw the 1st episode.
169 posted on 09/23/2007 7:51:06 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: go-dubya-04
For gods sake, just turn off the sound on your TV and watch brave men fight and die for their country.

That liberal P-BSer can say whatever the hell he wants to say. He earned that right years ago.

170 posted on 09/23/2007 7:52:14 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: Red Boots

Many guys did join to “see the world” . Happened during WWI and the Civil War and every other war too.

Friend of mine’s father joined cause he was dirt poor from Alabama & never had a pair shoes till he got in the army.

Many young men & women join today for the experiences.

You deny that?


171 posted on 09/23/2007 7:53:54 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: VOA

“That which we gain too easily, we value too lightly — it is dearness alone that gives a thing its value.” — Thomas Paine

Not infrequently, it is the convert who is the most fervent believer, and the immigrant who is the most ardent patriot. Because what they fight for is something they had to gain, not a birthright. They do not have the luxury of taking it for granted.

No specific comments on the show — I’ve DVRed it, and will watch tomorrow, when I can give it undivided attention. I’m near bed and distracted right now.


172 posted on 09/23/2007 7:54:24 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Snoopers-868th

Actually the Us Air Force was a division under the Army at the time.
The National Security Act of 1947 became law on July 26, 1947. It created the Department of the Air Force, headed by a Secretary of the Air Force.


173 posted on 09/23/2007 7:54:45 PM PDT by donnab
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To: Non-Sequitur
Can you point out the leftist slant in The Civil War, Baseball, and Jazz? I must have missed it somewhere along the way.

More obfuscation by the hunjjmaster?

174 posted on 09/23/2007 7:56:06 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: hschliemann

THAT would have been political, and would not have been appropriate for the series. What Burns did include were a couple of Hispanic soldiers, who I believe were American citizens, who were part of Carlson’s Raiders in the Pacific.


175 posted on 09/23/2007 7:56:07 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: go-dubya-04
The guy was just telling his personal story. Didn’t need a disclaimer. Hopefully, we have enough intelligence to figure out it’s his PERSONAL experience.
176 posted on 09/23/2007 7:56:37 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

are we really squabbling over one line in a whole installment? I saw so much more than that. Hopefully others will be intelligent enough to do as well. I am glad to see that there are others that saw the whole picture.


177 posted on 09/23/2007 7:59:14 PM PDT by donnab
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To: VOA
My father worked in the oil industry with a Bataan Death March survivor...

The father of one of my first grade friends was a survivor of the Bataan Death March. He suffered nightmares the remainder of his life.

178 posted on 09/23/2007 7:59:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: donnab

“Those were MEN.”

I knew one. But really didn’t know ALL about him.
Jack McNeice, a member of an elite fraternity: walked out of
four combat jumps over WWII Europe.
He was a postal carrier and I attended church with him and his kids
(my age) when I was growing up.

Maybe when I was about 16, someone tried to tell me that “Mr. McNeice”
had been a romping, stomping paratrooper in WWII. I simply refused to
believe it...until I saw his name and address in one of the Cornelius Ryan
books (”A Bridge Too Far”?) and his home city, as an interviewee.

Mr. McNeice only made any sort of public comment about his past to
Guard members that were on their way to Iraq for Gulf War I.

His story in in this book:

FILTHY THIRTEEN: From the Dustbowl to Hitler’s Eagle’s Nest -
The True Story of the101st Airborne’s Most Legendary Squad of Combat Paratroopers
by Richard Killblane

http://www.amazon.com/FILTHY-THIRTEEN-Airbornes-Legendary-Paratroopers/dp/1932033467/ref=sr_1_1/104-0608994-6266314?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190602461&sr=8-1


179 posted on 09/23/2007 8:01:25 PM PDT by VOA
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To: KosmicKitty
Way more joined because their country had been attacked, and they wanted to defend it. To leave that point of view entirely out of the discussion, and only to show the one guy who joined because he saw training films that made it look glamourous, means the documentary borders on revisionist, in my opinion.
180 posted on 09/23/2007 8:01:39 PM PDT by Red Boots
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