Posted on 09/25/2007 9:01:21 PM PDT by scripter
There is no gene. It’s been searched for. It , by all modern standards of medical science, does not exist.
Addiction is probably too strong a word. However, like most Human activity (good and bad), its certainly habit-forming.
“People move around on the homosexual-heterosexual continuum to a surprising degree in both directions”
Huh, no we don’t.
So since salvation, you've adhered to scripture and you've had no problems with Satan and his resultant sin in your life?
You are unique among Christians. Most use the crutch of and need of grace to explain their still sinful ways.
Are you telling me that today, right now, we know all there is to know about human genetics? That is just as riduculous as saying we know all there is to know about the solar system.
Do you agree that humans, like the animal kingdom at large, are created to procreate? All species are designed to perpetuate themselves. Species that fail to do so have, for whatever reason (meteors, volcanic eruption, or whatever) lost the ability to adapt or were not given enough time to adapt.
At the heart of this process are genes. If a person of one sex finds him or her self attracted to the same sex there is something terribly wrong with that person’s genetic makeup. Obviously, the problem may be more profound in some and less profound in others. Hence, we have people who are attracted to both sexes equally. Or we have people whose problem is realtively mild compared to others. Perhaps it is this group that might benefit from counseling or whatever.
Finally, if there is not a genetic component to homosexuallity, how do you explain the behavior? I remember a story a few years back about a boy whose testicles were “accidentally” cut off at birth while being circumcized. His parents actually raised him as a girl. But when he bacame an adult he reverted to his male self—despite all those years of female conditioning. Actually married—a girl.
IMO, homosexuallity is no different than being born with hemophilia, Down’s Syndrome, or any other human aberration.
Having said that, they remain God’s children and deserve being loved just like anyone else.
Ping for later read.
The problem with your statement above is that no credible scientist nor any scientific study supports your statement. On what do you base the above statement?
A couple of years ago I was reading the summary of a study from a scientist who was a homosexual. In the summary he emphasized that no study to date supported the claim homosexuals are born that way and he further stated he didn't think any further studies would support the claim that homosexuals are born that way.
Scientists can make such statements because all the evidence points to environment being the major factor for same sex attraction. Besides that, ex-gays exist and their numbers continue to grow. We have to consider all the evidence and all the evidence points to the fluidity of sexuality.
Definitely not everyone!
In my view gays are conflicted as to how they want to explain their situation. There are those gays who want to believe they have “chosen” their sexual preferenence. They simply cannot accept that there is something “wrong” with them. There is another group that accepts their “differentness”, but thinks it is somehow morally equivalent to heterosexuallity. There is the bisexual group. Some in this group may benefit from therapy that focuses their sexual identity one way or the other. Then there is the last and, I believe, largest group. People in this group understand and accept their situation. They may or not find a life partner. But either way, they keep their sexual identity to themselves and outwardly live a mainstream life. They do not particpate in so-called Gay Pride parades tongue kissing and groping each other in public.
Certainly abusive childhoods can contribute to homosexuality—as well as criminality. But I suspect the vast number of people with such a back ground grow up to be productive and loving people.
Do you also believe that people born with missing limbs, congenital defects or whatever are only products of their environments? Sometimes things just go wrong. It’s nobody’s fault. It’s not even fair or unfair. It just is. To pretend otherwise is self delusional.
I hear people say that God doesn’t create bad people. Of course he doesn’t. After Adam and Eve he stopped people creation. At times in his life he intervened in some peoples lives to fix their particular problem. But he didn’t do it to make them well so much as he did it to prove he was who he said he was. We call these illuminating moments miracles.
Someone wrote me that abusive childhoods [environment] produces homosexuals. That’s hogwash. One is or is not homosexual. And please spare me the “scientific study” ploy. Studies can be made to demonstrate any desired premise. It is “junk” science, afterall, that is creating this whole global warming nonsense. Oh, I forgot, the zealots who buy into this lie are now calling it climate change.
I don’t need a scientific study to conclude that homosexual people have a problem with they’re wiring. Nature is organized specifically for procreation. Certainly their are aberrations out there, but they are the exception—ergo aberration—not the rule.
I’ve read your post a couple of times and I’m not sure how to respond to the straw man arguments you’ve put forth, other than to say there is no evidence to support anything you’ve said.
I don’t need an “expert” or a “study” to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. Other than your “glittering generality” argument of their being no evidence to support anything I said, why not take me on point by point and tell me where I’m wrong?
If you read chapter 12 (the article) along with the links at the end of post 1 you might realize the colossal waste of time that would be. The first sentence in chapter 12 is very important.
If you could actually find a credible scientist that supports a single point you've raised then we can discuss that point. The problem is you can't.
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