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We came so close to World War Three that day (More Info)
The Spectator ^ | October 3, 2007 | James Forsyth and Douglas Davis

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT by Parmenio

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To: AppyPappy

Exactly - and if the much-vaunted SA-23 system couldn’t see or shoot it down, what does *that* say?

My guess? The hard floor problem bit the Russians in the arse again.


21 posted on 10/04/2007 9:59:17 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Parmenio

Other articles have said that the Iranian High Command is in a panic, waiting for a U.S. attack, and that the Expensive Russian Anti-Aircraft equipment is now useless...

It also explains the sudden Iranian drive to push thier nukes DEEP underground...

“Aviation Week reckons the success of the attack might be down to use of the “Suter” airborne network attack system. The technology, was developed by BAE Systems and integrated into US unmanned aircraft by L-3 Communications, according to unnamed US aerospace industry and retired military officials questioned by Aviation Week.

Instead of jamming radar signals, Suter uses a more sophisticated approach of “hacking” into enemy defences.

“The technology allows users to invade communications networks, see what enemy sensors see, and even take over as systems administrator so sensors can be manipulated into positions so that approaching aircraft can’t be seen,” Aviation Week explains. “The process involves locating enemy emitters with great precision and then directing data streams into them that can include false targets and misleading message algorithms.”


22 posted on 10/04/2007 9:59:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Parmenio
more curious is that far from pushing the Syrians and Israelis to war, both seem determined to put a lid on the affair.

But not No. Korea. In fact, their lone, harsh criticism of Israel about an incident that should be none of their business directed a bright, nuclear light on the entire affair.

23 posted on 10/04/2007 10:00:05 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Parmenio

So, have we put the foot to North Korea for their part in this? Is that why they (appear) to be disarming?

Not a peep from the administration (as it should be)convinces me more and more that we dodged a big one with Israel’s help.


24 posted on 10/04/2007 10:00:18 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: ConservatismNow

Several years ago somebody, I forget who, said that the first indication to most people that something nuclear had happened in a region would be the lack of news or anything else from the region.


25 posted on 10/04/2007 10:00:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Spktyr
F-15I's don't HAVE stealth capability.

There is passive stealth and active stealth. They aren't passively stealth. Now radars can only see what they are programed to see. If the actual return is masked be an overpowering false return which does not meet the threshold criteria, the radar may show nothing. The radar operator wouldn't even know its happening.

26 posted on 10/04/2007 10:00:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: sauropod

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28 posted on 10/04/2007 10:01:33 AM PDT by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: Parmenio
With prior approval from Washington

Ah, so this was a U.S. planned and sanctioned operation.

29 posted on 10/04/2007 10:01:35 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Parmenio
This is the way to do it. They just blew it up, no UN arguing or resolutions, no bickering back and forth, no talking heads on TV bickering for weeks before hand. The way to take care of business is just decide and do it. If it was a threat, why do focus polls and endless debate, just blow it up and talk later. In this case, nobody has anything to say.

What if we had just called the North Koreans bluff and bombed their nuke facilities when they did their little "test" in July. We were lucky enough they didn't "test" it in the US or South Korea, so actions have consequences. We should have just blasted it to hell. If they didn't like that, then blast everything else. They knew we wouldn't do anything but hand wring for weeks afterward. They should have been shown that they "miscalculated".

30 posted on 10/04/2007 10:02:17 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Parmenio
What if this was just a clever diversion from the real nuke delivery ?

Why haven't there been repercussions beyond some low key rhetoric ?


BUMP

31 posted on 10/04/2007 10:03:27 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: SampleMan

I imagine they keep it turned off most of the time. You keep that joker lit up and you may get a HARM enema for your troubles.


32 posted on 10/04/2007 10:03:28 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Parmenio

If true, this story is reassurance that the grown-ups are still in charge in Washington, D.C.
What’s troubling is the recently toned down rhetoric from North Korea and Iran. They must be counting on a Democrat in the White House in 2008 and know that all they have to do is grin and say nice things to placate a Democrat administration, while covertly attaining their nuclear ambitions. As in the Clinton years, the Democrats, with the aid of the MSM, will be able to deny and hide real international threats while working on domestic ‘reform’. When the threat resurfaces, there will be no option but nuclear war, which they will blame on Reagan.


33 posted on 10/04/2007 10:03:56 AM PDT by Spok
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The article mentions a dirty bomb, how do they know it was not a functioning atomic bomb?


34 posted on 10/04/2007 10:04:38 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: Parmenio

F-15I

35 posted on 10/04/2007 10:05:31 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: AppyPappy

That actually sounds quite plausible. Or not. Don’t think the North Koreans would be willing to sacrifice their nuclear fuel for any amount that Syria could afford. Maybe Iran, but not Syria. Maybe if we agreed to take them off the list of terror-supporting states. Not sure if even that would be enough for NK. Possession of actual nuclear weapons can’t be measured in $$$ alone. If NK actually double-crossed Syria, they’ll never get another drop of oil from Iran or Syria, so whatever they received from Israel/US/South Korea/etc. would need to be tremendous.


36 posted on 10/04/2007 10:05:59 AM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: Parmenio

If the Israelis (whom God save and protect) hit nuclear material from the air with explosive weapons (and there apparantly IS a big hole in the ground), I think we would have heard about some atmospheric release of isotopes by now.


37 posted on 10/04/2007 10:06:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Spok

N Kor and S Kor have agreed to peace today. Train service is restored (actually a year ago and tourists having been flooding into N Kor all this time.)

That leaves Iran, or Iran plus Russia if Russia thinks it worth the trouble.


38 posted on 10/04/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: RightWhale

That is probably a very fair statement. There is definately more to this incident that what is out there and I would not count on getting to know what really did happen anytime soon.


39 posted on 10/04/2007 10:10:47 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: Parmenio

Also, don’t forget the ‘rail accident’ in NK a few years ago. I believe there were reports of some Syrians on that train.


40 posted on 10/04/2007 10:10:49 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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