Posted on 10/05/2007 5:29:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
“New Survey: “Religious Conservatives” A Shrinking Influence Among Voters”
Funny that as Foxsnooze and the RNC are doing their level best to shove that piece of filth Rudy on us, there are an awful lot of these articles hitting the wires.
This editorial doesn’t say anything about Guiliani. As a matter of fact it doesn’t mention any candidate and it also doesn’t mention FOX News or the RNC. Go back to DU or Kos, or where ever you belong, but crawl back under your rock
My apologies. My spent too much time yesterday being cajoled towards voting for Rudy and when I refused, having to listen to how Christian conservatives are ruining the party.
I let the emotion from those arguments spill over to this thread.
Again, I am sorry for that.
You are forgiven
There will never be a small government secular society. Never.
The reason the socialists spend so much time trying to destroy religious conservatism is that they know a secular society will always become a high tax, heavily regulated socialist nanny state. The near death of social conservatism in Europe has led to the socialist abomination known as the EU. The same thing will happen here.
Are you mentally stable? Your earlier postings on this thread made a claim that the left's forty year big government, big hollywood and big liberal education attack on conservative traditional religion was a good thing and the traditional American conservative religious views were a threat to our republic and a detriment to freedom. That is unbelievable hyposcrisy. Why do liberals such as yourself always spin into falsehoods when they are exposed?
If you want to attack, let's see you answer the questions that I posed to you. If not, this indicates you are just a liberal troll who is trying to lay low seeking cover instead of coming clean and being honest.
Why don't you just cut and paste the typical far left opinions on moveon.org or any other liberal website, because they no doubt match your own and it would save you some time.
And thus in their smug piety,doom the only nation left that can protect them
They aren't looking for a nation to protect them. They have God. And it is arrogance for the nation to think it protects God's chosen by it's own power -- God instead protects the nation that honors his word.
So the question you should ask is NOT whether Christians should abandon God's work in order to be earn protection from the Government of Man, but whether they are in fact doing God's work or not in opening our borders to illegal immigration.
Since that is a religious question, I won't debate it here. I will say I don't agree with them, but that I understand their position and find it defensible.
I do not believe that you receive salvation after all that you can do. I do study the scriptures so the following is offered with agape and based upon years of study. Hope it is edifying for you and other readers ...
In John's Gospel account of Jesus and the coming of the Christ --to be 'God With us' and then God in us following the Resurrection and Church Day of Pentecost,-- in that Gospel we are given the scene of one Nicodemus, member of the Jewish Sanhedrin in that day, coming to Jesus at night to ask Him for something to show He was Messiah. They get into an exchange during which Jesus tells Nicodemus that a man must be born again, born of the Spirit, in order to enter into Heaven. Throughout the letters of Paul --and especially in the letter to the Romans-- Paul addresses this notion of being born again, born of the Spirit, for Salvation in Christ. And he, Paul, explains it using the verb tenses and cases in the Greek which indicate an immediate deliverance followed by an ongoing transformational process called ‘salvation’. The Blood of Christ cleansed the Mercy Seat in Heaven and thereby those who died before the Cross were made righteous because of their belief (‘faithe‘) in God’s Promises. The Blood of Christ cleanses your heart allowing God’s Spirit to come into your inner self, your spirit, and dwell there to transform your soul as you ‘faithe’ in the promises of God to transform you, thereby ‘establishing’ the Law of God (fulfilling the Law) in your heart, as Paul put it.
When one reads these passages in the Greek, there are certain specific aspects of the Greek words which give insight into the specifics of the written passages. Here's a simplified example from Romans chapter ten:
Romans 10:8-10 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
. (KJV)Romans 10:8-10 10:8 But what doth it say? `Nigh thee is the saying -- in thy mouth, and in thy heart:` that is, the saying of the faith, that we preach; that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved, for with the heart doth believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation; (Young’s Literal Translation)
The underlined words --faith, believe, and believeth-- all derive from the Greek word ‘pisteuo’. In the Greek the verbs give rise to the nouns, so ‘pisteuo’ --to faithe-- gives rise to ‘pistis’, the noun --faith. Important to the understanding of the use of ‘pistis’ is that it is at its heart an action word which, in the way written in the passage, is an ongoing action, an immediate application with continuous force, an unending application --not continuous if referred back to, but a thing instituted by God not man, then remaining in effect WHILE the ‘faither’ lives the remainder of life ‘faithing’. Faith is action based upon belief sustained by the confidence that what God promises He will do. That is why we read repeatedly that Abraham ‘believed’ God and it was counted for him righteousness. … The words in blue --confess and confession (’homologeo‘)-- are derived from ‘homos’ which is Greek for ‘at the same place or time’; adding ‘logeo‘ we have ‘at the same time or place spoken‘. … The word in red --salvation (soteria=deliverance)-- is derived from the Greek word ‘soter’, meaning ‘a deliverer’.
You wrote that ’Salvation is a thing that is worked out on one’s knees in prayer and in repentence.’ Salvation --deliverance-- is something you receive immediately when you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead. Then you seek to live the rest of your life, daily, as you function in every aspect of living, ‘faithing’ in the promises of God that He will transform your soul by the renewing of your mind. You receive deliverance in your spirit, and remain delivered in your soul (your behavior mechanism) through a daily walk (which should include time on your knees and/or in quiet solitude with His Spirit sifting and cleansing your soul) in which you ‘faithe’ in His Spirit within which you received the minute you were delivered. You receive a deliverer (soter) in your dead human spirit when you confess Jesus Christ. You are ‘sotered’ daily, to coin a word mixing Greek and English, in your behavior mechanism, your soul.
Pax vobiscum
I didn't write that...did you reply to the wrong poster?
Actually, I wrote that post yesterday in response to a poster who did make that comment. I neglected to lift that sentence from the post prior to posting it as a generality on this thread. Thanks for catching that. I’ll correct it the next time —if there is a next time— that I post it. I need to check it on my profile page since I’ve posted the thing there, also.
No you don't Jeeves. You want liberals who control the big government schools to aggressively undermine parental morality and American heritage. You applaud four decades of blatant moral and politically liberal messages put out by minority liberals who monopolized the news, television, movies, PBS, publics schools and public universities. The constant use of these near monopolies as instruments to attack religious conservatives pleases you to no end, even when you know tax money has been used. You don't mumble a peep about this great minority tyranny.
You favor decades of big judicial activism and big federal government powergrabs which progressively destroy the autonomy of states, cities and localities so that the deck can be stacked against conservatives. You enjoy these federal dictates even though this was never the case in American history previous to aggressive judicial activism by liberals.
Mr. Jeeves has his tail tucked between his legs and has made a dash for the high weeds rather than put his own ideas up for scrutiny. That is why he was too terrified to answer Old Landmark's questions and have an honest discussion.
Old Landmarks said the right word about Jeeves. Hyposcrisy! But liberals such as Mr. Jeeves have always been hypocrites and spend their lives marketing their ideas in a dishonest manner, repeating liberal attacks on conservative America while lacking the intellectual honesty and moral courage to lay out his own anti-American ideas for all to see.
Jeeves does not belong on Free Republic, not just because he is a closet liberal pretending that he is not, but because he uses the most disgusting tactic of the lowest liberal.
Jeeves starts with an extreme liberal philosophical attack on conservative America and then tries to pretend his liberal attack on conservative America was not really motivated by his own liberal philosophy which is all important to him. Instead, he backpedals and insists he was just playing a political game about getting votes, further pretending his underlying liberal worldview he shares with other leftists was not really his raison detre, for him it is suddenly just about votes, not his liberal anti-conservative philosophy at all. Sure Jeeves, tell us another big one.
Jeeves then tells us that its all over for traditional America because the liberals have WON and he is gleeful at his doomsday message; we should surrender and kneel before the far left when it comes to moral and religious values. (and then Jeeves talks out of the other side of his liberal mouth and says he is the positive one. Jeeves is negative against conservative Americans, his only source of the positive is his obvious approval of destructive Liberal influences in the lives of young adults.)
Jeeves would say that it was the internet and all its 'pure truth' that has been a great positive influence toward his beloved immoral liberalism in the hearts and minds of children and young adults. Jeeves' liberal passions and mentality cannot allow him to recognize the great damage done from the daily mandatory liberal indoctrination by big government schools (which he favors). To the shallow Jeeves it could not be the many thousands of beligerant anti-conservative messages preached daily by the far left using television and movies as a propaganda machine. It could not be the carefully and dishonestly framed messages against religious conservatives that dominate the perverted pop-culture and ruin the lives and thinking of so many impressionable youths.
Evil is good to Jeeves, so Jeeves has chosen to ignore five decades of strong warnings from the best of conservatives concerning the damage done to the culture by constant liberal indoctrination(including Reagan, Bush, Bork, Rhenquist, Thomas, Kirk, Horowitz, Buckley, Limbaugh, Coulter, and hundreds of others; even the moderate Eisenhower said his greatest mistake was when he appointed the very liberal Earl Warren whose well-known judicial activism was justified to Jeeves and he would recognize Warren's constitutional destruction as necessary for the good of liberal progress.)
Jeeves sides with the liberal cultists and excuses their cut-throat methodology because the end justifies the means.
In Jeeves severely shallow paradigm, any damage done by liberals (from the internet or anywhere else) must be a wonderful victory and we should not fight the liberals in the culture war, even though that is the liberal's greatest focus. While Jeeves has been busy aiding the enemy, his fellow liberals have spent enormous amounts of tax money for decades to assist their side of the culture war and when you see the results of the liberal indoctrination of lies, Ms. Jeeves counts this as a victory for the good side.
The big government's compulsory indoctrination was just a necessary evil for Jeeves. It was needed to get rid of that pesky traditional American morality that our parents gave us. Kinsey and Freud are exalted as gods in Ms. Jeeves liberal Shangra La.
These are some of the reasons Jeeves did the old liberal Cut and Run, CYA, rather than face a disection of his rank liberalism. His excuse for lack of manhood? He did not sense enough sincerity. Sure Jeeves, it was your fear of real sincerity from people who challenged your petty liberal sewage.
Ms.Jeeves, when someone makes an excuse they know to be untrue, there is a three letter word for that. Of course in your world even the worst actions are called good as long as they serve the ultimate liberal cause championed by your fellow travelers at the Daily Kos. They attack America at its roots and Jeeves carries their water and holds a pom-pom in their cheering section.
He is like the coward who throws the first punch with intent to harm and then runs and hides hoping that the heat will fade and his liberal dishonesty will be forgotten. He does not like the give and take, he would rather be humiliated in his cowardice.
At a later date and on another thread he will take another liberal cheap shot, running away if his liberalism begins to get exposed.
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