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A Husband's Efforts Came Too Late
New York Times ^ | October 5, 2007 | John Eligon

Posted on 10/06/2007 12:15:35 PM PDT by yorkie

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To: yorkie
Alcohol Withdrawal Symptoms:
Mild to moderate psychological symptoms:

Feeling of jumpiness or nervousness
Feeling of shakiness
Anxiety
Irritability or easily excited
Emotional volatility, rapid emotional changes
Depression
Fatigue
Difficulty with thinking clearly
Bad dreams

Mild to moderate physical symptoms:

Headache - general, pulsating
Sweating, especially the palms of the hands or the face
Nausea
Vomiting
Loss of appetite
Insomnia, sleeping difficulty
Paleness
Rapid heart rate (palpitations)
Eyes, pupils different size (enlarged, dilated pupils)
Skin, clammy
Abnormal movements
Tremor of the hands
Involuntary, abnormal movements of the eyelids

Severe symptoms:

A state of confusion and hallucinations (visual) — known as delirium tremens
Agitation
Fever
Convulsions
“Black outs” — when the person forgets what happened during the drinking episode

Long term Stage 4 alcoholics in withdrawal may experience death from loss of autonomous body functions.

A shame all around.

21 posted on 10/06/2007 1:14:32 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: FReepapalooza

So true. They are a wealthy family and could have afforded a private nurse to accompany her. Instead they essentially dumped her onto the airline, the airport, and the local police without providing any information about her condition. Now, like Doty’s Daddy, they’re trying to blame anybody but themselves, when they’re the ones who actually bear the blame.


22 posted on 10/06/2007 1:16:31 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: dsc

The woman threw things (her cell phone for one) at innocent bystanders which struck them. I’d handcuff her too, and I’m not “the cops.”


23 posted on 10/06/2007 1:18:28 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: FReepapalooza

“What I couldn’t understand from the beginning is, if she was “that” unstable, why was she flying alone?”

the husband had to stay home to take care of the 3 kids.
He drove her to the airport and walked her to the gate.

It seems odd to me that someone who was obviously out of control would be left alone like that.


24 posted on 10/06/2007 1:22:42 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: papasmurf
some people are very upset that they have to go to a rehab in the first place....she probably insisted that she go alone....

no matter what....she did not deserve to die.....if you have people restrained the general rule is you watch them continually when you are unfamiliar with that person....although I am thinking now that she was already a goner by the time they put her in that cell.....

25 posted on 10/06/2007 1:23:15 PM PDT by cherry
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To: dsc

She was hurting others (in one case, she threw a cell phone which hit a bystander in the face). What were they supposed to do? What would you have done? Let her run amuck in the airport until someone was SERIOUSLY hurt?


26 posted on 10/06/2007 1:27:21 PM PDT by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: yorkie

Sh*t happens in life. If the Gotbaums were Republicans this story wouldn’t even have made the papaers. They ought to get over it and move on, just like they tell the rest of us to do.


27 posted on 10/06/2007 1:30:25 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Scotswife

One of the earlier threads on this woman had a post that said that a friend was supposed to have met her at the airport where she had to wait between flights, but didn’t show up...that’s when Mrs. Gotbaum went to an airport lounge and got drunk.


28 posted on 10/06/2007 1:31:19 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

“One of the earlier threads on this woman had a post that said that a friend was supposed to have met her at the airport where she had to wait between flights, but didn’t show up...that’s when Mrs. Gotbaum went to an airport lounge and got drunk.”

I didn’t see it in the news today, but time will bring out all the details I guess.


29 posted on 10/06/2007 1:43:05 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: yorkie

His words will come back to haunt him when he tries to sue.


30 posted on 10/06/2007 1:45:07 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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The husband should not have allowed this obviously unstable, disturbed, and alcohol/drug dependent woman travel halfway across a continent unaccompanied. If anyone other than the woman herself is responsible for this tragedy, it is her husband. It is disgraceful that, having let her down in life, he apparently now plans to profit from her death. The Gotbaums are well connected NY liberals who have hired a PR firm as well as ambulance chasing lawyers. They’ve now had two sympathetic articles in the NY Times. Birds of a feather.
31 posted on 10/06/2007 1:54:30 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: yorkie

If she was suicidal..WHY THE HELL DID THEY LET HER GET ON THE PLANE ALONE???? More fodder for the State of AZ.


32 posted on 10/06/2007 1:59:40 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: jwparkerjr

“They did what they deemed appropriate at the time.”

I have no complaint about anything they did from what I’ve read, except for leaving her alone with just enough chain to hang herself.


33 posted on 10/06/2007 2:01:16 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Scotswife

“He drove her to the airport and walked her to the gate.”

Not true...he walked her as far as security.


34 posted on 10/06/2007 2:05:55 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: RatSlayer; dsc; cherry
So tell me, RatSlayer: What have you done in your community to make sure that law enforcement personnel are well chosen, well trained and well paid, and that there are enough of them and that they have enough equipment to accomplish safely what you think they should accomplish in the manner in which you think they should accomplish it?

dsc: According to reports and to video she "went off". How do YOU handle wildly combative people without hurting them, allowing them to hurt themselves, or getting hurt yourself?

cherry, your point is good. How much does it cost to make sure that every holding cell has a monitor and every monitor has an officer who knows what to do watching it? And is your community willing to pay that cost? And if the money and the staffing aren't there should they just leave people alone, to run around the airport throwing cell phones and making trouble?

If we want to compare police work to the perfect, it will always come up short. It certainly gets my attention that there was no camera in the cell or officer watching a monitor. It would be interesting to know whose budget decision that was. But you can bet it was a budget decision, at the bottom. Cops don't make budget decisions. They suffer with them.

But what we have is communities hiring cops, paying them too little, not training or equipping them enough and then exposing them to opprobrium and lawsuits if they do their job under less than optimal circumstances. And then people on FR are shocked, SHOCKED, when cops do anything less than absolutely perfectly.

When you enter the realm of violence, violence is what often happens. People get hurt. Some die. Few of the good guys are happy with those outcomes. Few are given what they need to lessen the frequency of those outcomes.

35 posted on 10/06/2007 2:09:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: MizSterious

First thought is that she should have been restrained, as she was, and EMS should have been called, so she could have received immediate medical attention. Narcotic antagonists and sedatives are generally helpful, until someone can put all of the pieces together.

The type of behavior she was exhibiting was symptomatic of some problems that can be very dangerous. Maybe that is what they had planned, I don’t know. I would think that enyone trained in law enforcement would know that.

Had she been sedated and evaluated by a doctor, she might be better off, but maybe not. She was in a pretty bad state, and when someone is that strung out, there aren’t many guarantees.


36 posted on 10/06/2007 2:10:08 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Mad Dawg

Well said, MD.


37 posted on 10/06/2007 2:10:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Grrrrrrrrrrrr, ah, thanks! Thanks very much!


38 posted on 10/06/2007 2:13:40 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Publius6961
Opinions are like ---- noses ----. Everybody's got one.

Ummm...not Michael Jackson.

39 posted on 10/06/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Mark Felton

My sister moved to Germany and lost 20 pounds because of eating unprocessed foods.


40 posted on 10/06/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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