Posted on 10/06/2007 10:42:57 PM PDT by icwhatudo
Graeme Frost, who gave the democrat rebuttal to George Bush’s reasons for vetoing the SCHIP Bill, is a middle school student at the exclusive$20,000 per year Park School in Baltimore, MD.
Graeme was in a severe car accident three years ago, and received care paid for by the government program known as SCHIP-(State Children's Health Insurance Program)
"I was in a coma for a week and couldn't eat or stand up or even talk. My sister was even worse," Graeme wrote. "My parents work really hard and always make sure my sister and I have everything we need, but we can't afford private health insurance."
His sister Gemma, also severely injured in the accident, attended the same school prior to the accident meaning the family was able to come up with nearly $40,000 per year for tuition for these 2 grade schoolers. Confirmation both attended Park found here using edit-"find on this page"-Gemma. It will take you to an article in the schools newspaper about a fundraiser for Gemma class of 16, and Graeme class of 13.
Here are photos of the school's 44,000 square foot Wyman Arts Center: two galleries, an outdoor ampitheater, Meyerhoff Theater, Macks-Fidler Black Box Theater, practice rooms, rehearsal space, and ceramics, 3-D sculpture, woodworking, jewelry, painting, photography, digital graphics studios, recording studio, and keyboard lab.
In a Baltimore Sun article the family claims to be raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. "Bonnie Frost works for a medical publishing firm; her husband, Halsey, is a woodworker. They are raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. Neither gets health insurance through work."
What the article does not mention is that Halsey Frost has owned his own company "Frostworks",since this marriage announcement in the NY Times in 1992 so he chooses to not give himself insurance. He also employed his wife as "bookkeeper and operations management" prior to her recent 2007 hire at the "medical publishing firm". As her employer, he apparently denied her health insurance as well.
His company, Frostworks, is located at 3701 E BALTIMORE ST. A building that was purchased for $160,000 in 1999. The buildings owner is listed as DIVERSIFIED INDUSTRIAL DESIGN CENTER, LLC whose mailing address is listed as 104 S Collington Ave which is the Frost's home. The commercial property he owns is also listed as the business address for another company called Reillys Designs which leads to the question of whether rental income is included in the above mentioned salary total
The current market value of their improved 3,040 SF home at 104 S Collington Ave is unknown but 113 S COLLINGTON AVE, also an end unit, sold for $485,000 this past March and it was only 2,060 SF. A photo taken in the family's kitchen shows what appears to be a recent remodeling job with granite counter tops and glass front cabinets
One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business... maybe money can be found for other things...maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.
No, this was true in 2005, before Romney’s “reforms”.
Their 1936 rowhouse was purchased in 1990 for $55,000. It was vacant and in a run-down neighborhood that has improved since then, in part because of people like themselves who took a chance. It is now assessed at $263,140, though under state law the value of that asset is not taken into account in determining their eligibility for SCHIP.
No, I didn’t get banned from whiskeyfire. I guess I just didn’t try hard enough. :)
I did get the usual emotional responses, though. They called me names and what-not. You know, the usual liberal responses to a well thought-out observation.
I presented facts and options to help the Frosts help themselves. The whiskeyfire crowd responded by name calling and asking for the tax-payers to save the Frosts. What’s so crazy about selling a large house, buying a smaller one, and using the difference to pay bills? I suggest that and I’m labeled as “heartless”.
From The Center For American Progress:
First, Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year. Second, the Frosts bought their “lavish house” 16 years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less safe. And finally, the Frosts make $45,000 combined and over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
I know the experience. On another liberal forum, I was tempted to put a little aside in my comment about my view of the school lunch program when my daughter was in elementary school and 50% (!!!) of the children in that school were getting free lunch. I don’t even think they required showing your tax returns to get free lunch so probably a lot of people just lie to get the giveaway. IMO, its a terrible thing. I grew up in a working class family and we brought a peanut butter sandwich or a cream cheese and jelly sandwich to school every day and we made the sandwiches ourselves. It was very normal back then in the 50’s and 60’s. It was not a hardship.
I think the Democrats made a mistake using this 12 year old boy and then all the demonizing of anyone who questions the program. They’ve elevated the issue and now there might be some discussion of requiring the states to have an asset test for eligibility and requiring that applicants substantiate that the parents or at least one parent is actually putting in a 40 hour week.
Saying doesn’t make it so. Have you seen any documentation? A poster above found a “quit claim” on this house in 2005. What was that all about? Was this the Mr. Frost who one who bought the property in 1990 or was it quit-claimed to him and his wife in 2005 by the Frost who did buy the property in 1990? Gotta nail those things down and not take anyone’s word for it now that its all become a political issue.
I remember so many of the liberal blogs jumping into the Norman Hsu story when it first broke that it was such a smear and unsubstantiated, etc. Well, they’re not saying that any more because Hsu turned out to be a fugitive and a big crook. Gotta see the Frosts’ deeds and bank accounts and put the Dean at that private school on record for how this particular family got a scholarship (and how much? documents, please) to this plum school. The Frosts are partisans; allowing the boy to be used the way they did makes them look like extreme partisans.
“Since when does having “upper class roots” have anything to do with the issue of health insurance?” - because someone who comes from a millionaire family might be getting gifts. This family raises the suspicion of a loophole that would not have been raised without that Times wedding announcement.
Yes, its a very posh school. Posters above have noted very lavish amenities that are on the school’s website.
How ironic. Does Randy now see into the future? She named her quilts “Coming Apart” (as is...their story...at the seams) and “Almost Perfect Timing” (as in...almost, had it not been for the ever-vigilent freepers).
How ironic. Does Randy now see into the future? She named her quilts “Coming Apart” (as is...their story...at the seams) and “Almost Perfect Timing” (as in...almost, had it not been for the ever-vigilent freepers).
Hahahaha, you are now being “investigated” by the DUmmies!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2024958
“Dig up information on icwhatudo, this is the name that pops up over and over again.”
So I found this in TIME
It turns out, however, that not everything about the Frosts’ life pops up on a Google search. While Graeme does attend a private school, he does so on scholarship. Halsey Frost is a self-employed woodworker; he and his wife say they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year to provide for their family of six. Their 1936 rowhouse was purchased in 1990 for $55,000. It was vacant and in a run-down neighborhood that has improved since then, in part because of people like themselves who took a chance. It is now assessed at $263,140, though under state law the value of that asset is not taken into account in determining their eligibility for SCHIP. And while they are still uninsured, they claim it is most certainly not by choice. Bonnie Frost says the last time she priced health coverage, she learned it would cost them $1,200 a month.
I don’t understand why you’re attacking the Frost family. Seems to me you are killing the messenger.
My hunch is that the Frosts connected to the big Dems through that private school. Maybe some big Dems have their children at that school, its that fancy that it could be Pelosi kin.
Krugman’s column (NY Times) today is “The Sliming of Graeme Frost” and Tumulty (TIME) titles hers “The Swiftboating of Graeme Frost.” They are really going bonkers. Of course, none of the issues in this thread are addressed as to whether loopholes in the law make this program accessible to people who don’t have to work much because they’ve got other money. “Working” poor, right? The public wouldn’t buy it otherwise.
And if anyone is to blame for Graeme Frost being hurt, surely its his own parents and the Democrats. I saw Hillary Clinton on Olbermann last night and she goes right into slamming the “right wing” (like no one can have an opinion in this country any more if it differs from hers without being an extremist). Well, I remember very well that the Clintons shielded Chelsea when they were in the White House. It was one of the few good things I had to say about them. They did not trot her out to make political speeches. This boy is actually younger than Chelsea was. Clinton called him a “young man” and that was strange, too. Would she have called her daughter a “young woman” at age 12. No, it was the parents and her party that misused and abused this child.
Lets see where it goes. I am personally not a partisan for either party. I’d just like the truth, please.
Welcome to FR!!!! See Post #390, good investigation!!! Now, why don’t you crawl back under the DUmmie rock from which you came.
Ditto 397
They gotta show their documents and they won’t. They’ve already declined to show tax returns. When you put yourself into this level of politics, letting your child be used to attack the other party, you have to prove everything you say because you are a partisan. For all you know, each of the Frost children has a hundred thousand dollar bank account or more. For all you know, all of the $45,000 income they show is investment income. At this point, I don’t even know if Maryland SCHIP requires you to include income from tax free municipal bonds. Thats the gist of the issue: loopholes are bad public policy because they erode confidence.
Just popping in so the DU freaks will go nuts.
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