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Posted on 10/10/2007 3:07:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Conservative evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson admits that a third-party plan supported by pro-family leaders might unintentionally help elect democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
The influential pro-family advocate still contends, however, that he would rather vote following his values than compromise and be forced to choose between two pro-choice candidates.
“We’re very, very concerned about the implications of a Hillary Clinton presidency, but you know, we have been working … for 35 years, I’ve been trying to defend the unborn child,” Dobson said on Fox’s Hannity & Colmes show Monday.
“That’s been my life. That’s been my belief, along with marriage and the family and the other things. I can’t now abandon that because we’ve got two bad choices here.”
Currently leading the Democratic race and Republican race are New York senator Hillary Clinton and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, respectively. Both have been criticized by conservatives for their pro-choice and pro-gay rights stances among other issues.
During a meeting in Salt Lake City, about 50 pro-family leaders decided they would consider backing a third-party candidate if the Republican Party chose a pro-choice nominee, such as Giuliani
In an Op-Ed in the New York Times last week, Dobson explained the coalition’s decision and the reasoning, stating that as “vitally important” as it is for the GOP to win the presidential election, it should not be won “at the expense of what we hold most dear.”
His announcement that a core Republican constituency could consider withdrawing their support from the party next year stirred controversy and created greater division in the already divided GOP.
“Why would we not support someone who does line up with our values system, when we would have to literally hold our noses to support somebody that contradicts those values?” Dobson posed to Hannity – who supports Giuliani despite agreeing with Dobson “99 percent” of the time.
When further pressed on the possibility that his third party plan could help Clinton, Dobson replied that the elections are still far away and elections are “very dynamic” and “volatile.”
“There’s still a possibility that one of those other candidates, a dark horse, could come from nowhere,” Dobson said.
As the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, Giuliani has repeatedly stated he can beat Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton – an appealing statement for those who see Clinton as a larger threat.
A recent Gallup Poll also found that the former New York City mayor had an overall favorable rating from churchgoing Protestants. Among the top tier Republican candidates, Giuliani was rated third by religious Protestants after former senator Fred Thompson and Arizona senator John McCain.
“Dobson Admits Third Party Might Help Clinton”
Might??
Dobson should better come out and voice his support for his favourite GOP candidate (I guess Hunter would come closest to his moral standards).
Gee,Doctor what was your first clue? Was it reading on the DUmmies' website that they're praying to every Wiccan "god" that you declare a jihad on the Republican nominee?
Dobson is finally exhibiting his long repressed Pat
Robertson gene. He has jumped the shark, crossed the line, gone over to the dark side. He has become irrelevant.
If Dobson knows this and he does it anyway, then it is intentional and not unintentional.
A third party run by ALGORE would be most excellent!
that he would rather vote following his values than compromise and be forced to choose between two pro-choice candidates.
Sigh...
“If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, then we can win the presidency.”
I believe Dobson said he can’t support Fred because Fred says marriage laws are a state issue.
MIGHT? Wrong auziliary verb.
And what about Duncan Hunter?
BIG, BIG mistake by Dobson. Not sure how he could sleep at night, knowing he opened the door for Hitlery.
OK, is there anyone who truly doesn't know this?
It's not like it's political rocket science. (I mean, why do we need such obvious headlines?)
My point exactly.
“He has become irrelevant.”
Wrong - in case you havent noticed, conservatives have become irrelavent. Gays are now a protected class, God is banned from Govt., Diversity trumps character, we no longer have a border, our president equates Christianity with Islam. Wake up and quit drinking the RINO punch. Pretty soon speaking out on boards like this will be banned as hate speach and surprisingly enough it will be enforced by RINOs.
What door? (Do you know of any big third-party candidate that I'm not aware of?)
OK. I give up. What is "it?"
Me thinks the Rev Dobson has gotten a little too big for his britches and is throwing his self importance around the political spectrum.
How can you sleep at night knowing your RINO ways opened the door for Hillary? Weak and patehetic RINO sellouts, the sinking of the GOP.
Goes both ways.
So it was our Republican party that gave me a political home. When I signed up for duty, I didn’t have to check my principles at the door. And I soon found out that the desire for victory did not overcome our devotion to ideals.
Ronald Reagan
Republican National Convention. August 15, 1988
That quotation sums up best the salivation of power and what folks will trade to grab it.
(No ballot room for the womb, says the pubbies?)
it will guarantee a Clinton WH - and Dobson will be the villain.
I'm no Rudy fan...not in the least. I'm hoping for Fred, but I just can't stomach the idea of Hillary. If if comes down to Rudy V. Hillary, I will vote for Rudy. I would rather have him in the office than the communist wench.
Funny ain’t it ? And why would that be? Could it be the Democrat Rudy?
Live with it, we could all agree here on FR and save a lot of insults...but...you can’t make us vote for Rudy on election day.
Outcome. Hillary wins. Why will you lose? Rudy. just a fact.
I agree. If Dobson endorsed Hunter, his poll numbers would start going up past McCain, Paul, Tancredo, Huckabee etc.
It’s pretty sad when the Republicans have to fear Christians standing by their principles.
If you want Hillary, then nominate Guliani.
Yes, and all of these things will come about even faster with the Hildebeast on the throne.
This is one evangelical that will support Fred. I will NOT support OR vote for Rudy and I do not care WHAT the results will be so rudy-bots, save your flames; heard it, wiped with it, you can keep it.
Third party? Not necessary. Just stay home.
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Where in the WORLD did you get the idea I want Rudy as the nominee?!! I am 200% behind Fred Thompson, a 100% pro-life candidate. If Rudy does somehow gain the nomination, I’m packing my bags for distant shores, because Hillary vs. Rudy is NO CHOICE at all!!
I hear you.However,we live in an imperfect world and expecting perfection is almost always an exercise in futility.And as disappointing as President Gulliani (for example) might be for someone (you,perhaps?) try this on for size....President Hillary Clinton 2009-2017...President Barak Husein Obama 2017-2025.
As I said...the scumbags over at DUmmie Land are praying to every pagan "god",every wiccan "god" and to Ramsey Clark himself that Dobson's followers...and others...rebel.
Heh, heh. It sort of looks like he’s drooling.
The influential pro-family advocate still contends, however, that he would rather vote following his values than compromise and be forced to choose between two pro-choice candidates.
Did this guy ever understand the idea that NO ONE ever gets everything they want, esp. in politics? It is one thing to vote your conscience in the primaries (that's what you're supposed to do, actually), but when it comes to the General Election, you vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
This moron KNOWS that having a significant block of his flock and those he influences vote 3rd Party is a recipe for a Hillary LANDSLIDE (not a mere win). Is he stupid...does he WANT her to be nominating judges, naming the next AG, making our foreign policy, etc.? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
Even a pro-abortion, socially liberal Republican is better than Hillary or the rest of the Dem field. At least with them, there'll be some country to take back in 2012.
If he really cares about his issues, Dobson will fight to nominate a conservative, but also fight to nominate LOTS of conservatives to Congressional races - so that if a Rudy gets the nomination and wins, at least those Congressmen beholden to him will be able to stymie some uber-lib policy put forth by the new President.
Everyone waiting around for a 100% candidate will never be happy with a republican with whom they disagree on 20% on the issues but agree on 80%. I guess they’ll be happy when they have someone they disagree with 100% when their taxes are raised and aspects of their lives (financial, gun ownership, energy, health, education choices) are taken over by the govt because “it’s for your own good”.
But then it’ll be too late because free speech sites like this and radio shows like Rush will be shut down as “hate speech” in the name of civil comity.
This is all part of their plan and too bad some of us can’t see beyond how one person feels about one issue to care enough about the rest of the issues.
IYHO? Unfortunately not everyones. Most would not criticize a fine Christian moral leader for his views, since he is exactly that.
“Yes, and all of these things will come about even faster with the Hildebeast on the throne.”
Maybe and maybe not, so far with Bush as president Ive watched this country fall farther into the moral abyss than I ever thought it would. He has not championed anything from a moral perspective - its all about the WOT - all while letting terrorists and criminals come through our border. Remember we elected a house and senate majority under Clinton - we were unified. Now Im not hoping for a Hitlery win but I will not vote for someone who is also a Hitlerlylite.
If you firmly believe that, as some others here do, why would you support nominating a candidate that would cause this to happen?
You know, Dobson hasn't changed. What changed is that so many people are seeing what he's has been all along.
I've seen Dick Armey recently on some of the talking head shows. He believes Dobson and his band are nothing more than thugs and nasty people. Well, jeez, what took you so long to recognize that Mr.Armey? Dobson was cool to so many on this forum because he never stepped on their personal third rail. Well, now he has. But the words Dick Armey has been uttering is the same view I've had of Dobson and his clan since the early 90's.
I'm just sayin'.....
The big big mistake would be made by the GOP for not heading the warning. How would THEY sleep at night. Dobson certainly has given them enough time for his “IF” scenario. If they don’t heed it, it is on their heads not Dobsons.
Note to the weak spined - some people have spines and a conscience, sometimes its not easy to do whats right. Jorge Bush has been a complete joke - dont even waste your time talking about the war on Terror when he lets them into our country. Dobson has a point - I will be voting my conscience its about damn time - no more RINOs.
Look, I don't want Rudy at all, I want Fred (actually, I'd be happiest with Duncan Hunter, but he will only win the Presidency when I have my eyes closed). Fred's a real conservative, even if not perfect. Which brings me to my point:
The Perfect is the enemy of the Good.
Seeking perfection and, as part of the process, throwing the Good overboard, is a fail-safe way to make sure that you get exactly NONE of what you want. Dobson's either too foolish or too full of himself to be able to see this.
Depends on what that other 20% is I guess.
Pro-life people are sure to lose those advances with Hillary in the WH. They may stand a chance if work with and not against whoever the ulitmate standard bearer is.
Some chance is better than no chance. Some people would rather let the ship sink now rather than keep trying to plug the hole with less than desireable materials.
I havent ruled out Thompson but my point is that the attack on Dobson is unjustified. Dobson has proven himself to be true to character, he is not perfect but at least he has convictions and I can appreciate that after voting for one of the worst presidents of all time and a true deciever Jorge.
And not just Hitlery, a bunch of Supremes she could appoint that would surely be pro-abortion and make new binding rulings re baby killing, just what Dobson, the idiot, oppposes.
he’ll be against him for his marriage stance.
wich of my 5 children would you like to put into that “20%”
Just asking...
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