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House Passes Bill To Allow Helmetless Motorcycling (Michigan)
ClickonDetroit ^ | October 12, 2007

Posted on 10/12/2007 5:41:50 AM PDT by ShadowDancer

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To: Squawk 8888

FMVSS 218 have VERY specific standards.

BTW the ONLY legal standard for DOT certification is FMVSS 218. Snell is legally irrelevant.

the 14mp PER FMVSS 218 is the impact test.

FMVSS 218 has no weight or neck standards. There are significant variables that make any one helmet style insufficient for all uses.

However that is a CHOICE.


41 posted on 10/12/2007 7:28:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DesertSapper
"...and the rest of us are fined if not wearing a seatbelt in a car. ???"

That has always bothered me also. A accident on a motorcycle is almost always more dangerous than an automobile, yet the car occupants are required to wear seat belts, but cyclist don't need to wear helmets!? Someone please explain this to me...
42 posted on 10/12/2007 7:31:20 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: tickmeister

Then lets require ALL riders and drivers to wear helmets. (more head injuries are in cars)

in fact we could eliminate ALL auto accidents if we would have mandatory mass transportation and simply outlaw all private passenger vehicles.


43 posted on 10/12/2007 7:33:12 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Shimmer

“Liberty to kill yourself. Too bad for the ones you leave behind huh? But to hell with them, just as long as you have the freedom to kill yourself.”

oooooooo...the guilt trip attempt! Nice try anyway.

yep...LIBERTY.

‘nuf said.


44 posted on 10/12/2007 7:34:28 AM PDT by woollyone (Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities- Ayn Rand)
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To: NRA1995

In my driving experience it is. The bikers who ride like idiots are the ones you notice but they either get scared straight or they get killed. The vast majority of bikers who obey the rules don’t get noticed which is why they get hit. I know five riders who have been involved in accidents caused by car drivers. The problem is not so much an issue of motorist vs. biker as it is the appalling lack of attention paid by motorists to their surroundings; around these parts I’ve seen drivers ignoring 18-wheelers and 22-wheelers while they talk on the phone, sip their coffee and change the DVD for the kiddies in the back.


45 posted on 10/12/2007 7:36:50 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: ShadowDancer

It sounds like a good idea if there is a mandatory organ donate card signed at the same time.


46 posted on 10/12/2007 7:36:51 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: jaydubya2

helmet is attire.

seatbelt is affixed to the car.

there is a set variable for seat bealts.

There are thousands of helmets for various purposes with various functions.

still.

attire vs fixture.


47 posted on 10/12/2007 7:37:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

violates first amendment.

also violates (ironically) the USSC holding of you control your own body.

many motorcyclists carry organ NON-donation cards due to the harvest vs save question. It makes it stricktly “save”.


48 posted on 10/12/2007 7:39:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jaydubya2
car occupants are required to wear seat belts, but cyclist don't need to wear helmets!?

The fact that bicycle helmets offer zero protection may have something to do with it. A bicycle helmet is nothing more than a fashion statement- if you really think you need one, spend the extra twenty bucks on a DOT helmet that might actually work.

49 posted on 10/12/2007 7:39:28 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Squawk 8888
Perhaps the wrong term.

cyclist=motorcycle rider
50 posted on 10/12/2007 7:43:44 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: ShadowDancer

The Michigan House responds to a shortage of organ doners.


51 posted on 10/12/2007 7:44:47 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Squawk 8888
A bicycle helmet is nothing more than a fashion statement

You are 100% wrong. I have been saved from serious injury by using a bicycle helmet and have witnessed plenty of others who have been saved by one. I also have a friend who learned the hard way of the benefits of a bicycle helmet. After a night in the hospital he wears one always and makes sure his wife and kids do the same.

52 posted on 10/12/2007 7:46:21 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: longtermmemmory
Come on tell the truth, it might mess up your hair.:)
53 posted on 10/12/2007 7:46:41 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: jaydubya2

OK, I misunderstood. There is one justification for seatbelt laws, though- in sudden stop or turn the driver and passengers can fly around inside the car causing the driver to lose control and put others at risk- if truckers have to secure their load so should everyone else. I might actually support a seatbelt law if its proponents argued this point.


54 posted on 10/12/2007 7:48:42 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: ShadowDancer

As a Harley-riding friend told me, “A helmet is the difference between an open or closed casket service.”


55 posted on 10/12/2007 7:49:03 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: DesertSapper

...and the rest of us are fined if not wearing a seatbelt in a car. ???
::::::::::::::::::
There is an arguement for automobile drivers wearing a seatbelt.
In a minor collision, the belt keeps the driver at the controls. In this way, the driver may regain control of the vehicle, preventing further damage. Note this reasoning does not apply to people on motorcycles, or auto passengers.


56 posted on 10/12/2007 7:49:42 AM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Oberon
Liberty sometimes means the freedom to make the wrong choice different choices than others may make and that others may not agree with.
57 posted on 10/12/2007 7:50:02 AM PDT by woollyone (Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities- Ayn Rand)
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To: ShadowDancer

Good news for those waiting for organ donations. Bravo!


58 posted on 10/12/2007 7:50:55 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: Proud2BeRight

On the highway that is often enough true. I wear a full-face helmet not so much to prevent head injury as to protect my face and eyes- a bug at 80km/h is mighty painful and can make you wipe out.


59 posted on 10/12/2007 7:51:19 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: woollyone

You’re right.


60 posted on 10/12/2007 7:52:51 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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