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CALNRA: Governor Signs MICROSTAMPING *AND* LEAD AMMO BAN
California NRA Members Council ^ | 10/13/2007 | Mike Haas

Posted on 10/13/2007 6:10:25 PM PDT by jrp

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To: B4Ranch
The goal is to follow Britain and get rid of our firearms. Eventually, they will do it unless the people stand up and fight back. Yes, I mean fight back with the threat of using our firearms.

That's why we have a 2nd amendment. My collection includes appropriate calibers for standard military ammo. It's my hobby and entertainment. It's also my responsibility. I make sure the local kids have an opportunity to be trained to safely handle firearms and have an opportunity to put a few rounds downrange. Informed and experienced citizens are less likely to listen to the BS spewed by the gun grabbing leftists.

141 posted on 10/14/2007 3:41:14 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: B4Ranch

Maybe I can talk hubby into buying reload supplies. I probably won’t have to yank on his arm too hard...

: )


142 posted on 10/14/2007 3:43:56 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

I suggest anyone who lives in Kalieforneia-stan to go to the shooting range and gather up as much brass as you can once the micro-stamped brass becomes common.
“Then randomly toss micro-stamped brass around as you drive through your day.

Throw a little bit of chaos into the mixture and see how long it takes before a “Fine Upstanding Member of the Community” ends up getting harassed for having his brass show up at the scene of a shooting.

It’s us against them people, fight smart and FIGHT DIRTY!”

While I can truly understand the sentiment behind that theory, to actually put it into practice would be deplorable. I would not wish the resulting harassment on my worst enemy.


143 posted on 10/14/2007 3:48:23 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: navyguy
OK, so what happens to those 'unsafe handguns' legally obtained before 2010 and what happens to transfer of such evil devices.

I think I know the answer to number two.

144 posted on 10/14/2007 3:52:26 PM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: B4Ranch
The goal is to follow Britain and get rid of our firearms. Eventually, they will do it unless the people stand up and fight back. Yes, I mean fight back with the threat of using our firearms.

Unfortunately, it'll take more than a "threat", I fear.

145 posted on 10/14/2007 3:58:32 PM PDT by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: meyer

I expect at least 75% to comply.


146 posted on 10/14/2007 4:02:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Too true.


147 posted on 10/14/2007 4:07:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: B4Ranch

I think that’s a reasonable assumption, that TPTB will make civilian-legal ammo with a max shelf life. It would be easy to do, we already do it with our new land mines.

Of course, that means mere civilians won’t be allowed to buy milsurp, due to its generations long shelf life.

More reason to BLOAT. Ammo might seem expensive today compared to years past, but it might simply be unavailable at any price in years to come.


148 posted on 10/14/2007 4:07:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Myrddin

141: Amen cubed.


149 posted on 10/14/2007 4:09:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: DownInFlames
You have a lot more faith in the US Supreme Court than I do. I can see them upholding the 2nd Amendment right for individual ownership through a ruling in the DC case, but I worry about them being clear about imposed “safety” manufacturing requirements being used as a defacto prohibition.
150 posted on 10/14/2007 4:12:23 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: B4Ranch; Califreak; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Pete-R-Bilt; Squantos; Eaker
BLOAT is always a good idea. Midway is out of primers (?) but funny, their supplier isn't. Prices of ammo are indeed rising as the red chinese suck up the copper and lead (for the toy paint, no doubt :o)

Here's a takedown of the AP I found interesting.

151 posted on 10/14/2007 4:15:10 PM PDT by glock rocks (Shoot fast. Shoot straight. Shoot safe. Practice. Carry.)
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To: rmh47
"One, will guns sold before the law goes into effect be "grandfathered" in, and
Two, will police officers' guns be covered under this law, and
Three, will gun manufacturers be held liable for damages if this technology fails in any way, including failures that cause injuries or death to the user?

All good questions. I think Gun manufacturers will just say screw Calipornia and not make any handguns to those requirements.
I wonder if that will lead to Calipornia police being the first unarmed police force in the USA.
Pre- 2010 autoloaders will have to be grandfathered. no doubt restrictions on their resale within Calipornia will be attempted.

152 posted on 10/14/2007 5:06:51 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: isthisnickcool
Arnold was pretending to be the Terminator. Today he pretends to be someone who follows the US Constitution.

At least he did a pretty good job of the former. But he's doing a P*** poor job of the latter. One almost gets the impression that he isn't trying very hard, nor does he care much.

153 posted on 10/14/2007 6:19:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Someone from Minnesota said that?

Minnesota has "shall issue" concealed carry. They are big D state, but their "D"s are "different".

For instance:

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."

-- Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959

154 posted on 10/14/2007 6:24:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: glock rocks

Interesting, I went in to a shop a couple weeks ago and they didn’t have any large pistol primers. He said they were having a hard time getting any primers. WTH????


155 posted on 10/14/2007 6:25:22 PM PDT by Current Occupant (IF YOU ABANDON CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, ARE YOU STILL A CONSERVATIVE?!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Of course resale will be prohibited.

I still have my AR and my letter from the Attorney General stating I was grandfathered in....it is ridiculous.

If I dont leave the state by then, I will by my ammo in Arizona like the gang bangers.


156 posted on 10/14/2007 6:30:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Inyo-Mono
All of these arms use lead, you cannot fire anything but lead bullets from an old time firearm.

I imagine there are other things you could fire from them. None of which would give the same performance, and all of which would cost more, perhaps a lot more.

But if think the gun grabbers give a hoot about that, or loss of state revenue, you are sadly mistaken. They'll just find something else to tax.

Waterfowl hunters faced a lead ban long ago. Bismuth, steel (that's out of course for you CAS guns), and other materials have been substituted. The higher cost is not that big a deal for waterfowlers, since no one actually expends all that much ammo when hunting... except maybe dove hunters. :) But guys shooting paper, steel or even pitch ("clay" targets), put lots and lots of rounds downrange, to the point where the cost of ammo is a significant portion of their total costs. But again, the gun grabbers don't care about "legitimate sporting purposes", no matter how much they bleat about it when trying to pull the wool over the sheeple's eyes.

157 posted on 10/14/2007 6:35:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

If you are going to offer quotes from 1959 I can give you some of the greatest American conservatives that ever lived — from California.


158 posted on 10/14/2007 6:37:52 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: jrp

Wow....even King George never dreamt of making the colonists stamp their balls.


159 posted on 10/14/2007 6:41:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Fortunately the lead ban only applies to big game and coyote hunting with rifles or handguns. It doesn’t *yet* apply to target shooting. So your cowboy guns are as safe as any guns in California... however safe that might or might not be.

Of course they'll extend it soon to hunting squirrels, rabbits, and other small animals, when it's discovered that the Condor, and other carrion birds, eat even more of those.

Even now, the technical challenge to this is pretty high, since they can't do like the waterfowl hunters and use steel, that would be an "armor piercing" round, as would most any metal much harder than lead. Bismuth with a plastic coating? Lead free ceramics? Deplete Uranium with a lighter metal core or cladding? Of course it has to be soft enough on the outside to "grab" the rifling, and not so hard as to cause excessive wear on it. Big challenge.

Anyone have any information on what is being proposed for big game and coyote hunting in CA? Of course the people who enacted the ban don't worry about little things like that.

160 posted on 10/14/2007 6:48:32 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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