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CALNRA: Governor Signs MICROSTAMPING *AND* LEAD AMMO BAN
California NRA Members Council ^ | 10/13/2007 | Mike Haas

Posted on 10/13/2007 6:10:25 PM PDT by jrp

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab1471

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab821

(Excerpt) Read more at calnra.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1471; ab821; banglist; callegislation; guncontrol; leadammo; microstamping; secondamendment; tyranny
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1 posted on 10/13/2007 6:10:27 PM PDT by jrp
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To: jrp

Sorry, here are the live links.

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab1471
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab821


2 posted on 10/13/2007 6:12:14 PM PDT by jrp
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To: jrp

I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.


3 posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:52 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

This one along with hubby left CA for the State of Georgia.


4 posted on 10/13/2007 6:17:07 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: jrp
More loony anti-gun laws from California. Leaving that place for Idaho is still one of my best decisions.

I was just down in Logan, UT yesterday and became aware of another issue. The supply of primers is severely backlogged. The sporting goods shop put in an order last month for small pistol primers. The factory says they may be able to fill it by February or March of next year. Following up on that news, I went to my local sporting goods store in Pocatello. Sure enough, there were no small pistol primers available for sale. I grabbed some more small rifle primers and large pistol primers...everything they had left in stock.

5 posted on 10/13/2007 6:17:30 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Brilliant

“I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.”

Unfortunate circumstance. We are saving for and plotting our escape.

I am disappointed, but not surprised.

Hubby and I did make some calls and send e-mails regarding this. We tried.


6 posted on 10/13/2007 6:17:53 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: Brilliant
I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.

"They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards." -- U.S. General Creighton Abrams
7 posted on 10/13/2007 6:21:03 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; NormsRevenge; tubebender; CounterCounterCulture; Czar; ...
RECALL ARNOLD NOW!!!
8 posted on 10/13/2007 6:23:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: jrp

9 posted on 10/13/2007 6:24:44 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: jrp

The bill description states (in full and verbatim)...

“This bill would, commencing January 1, 2010, expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired.”

How does microstamping INCREASE SAFETY?

Will they now ban files, since microstamping can be defeated with a 2 dollar metal file?


10 posted on 10/13/2007 6:25:27 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: calcowgirl

Sign me up.

Arnold has been a busy bee the last few days.


11 posted on 10/13/2007 6:27:50 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Romney Republican)
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To: navyguy

Even if it wears down through a lot of use, it would be unreadable. Therefore, you will be charged as a criminal or at least have the gun confiscated.

Another nail in the coffin.


12 posted on 10/13/2007 6:30:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Califreak
Unfortunate circumstance. We are saving for and plotting our escape.

Some of us are staying behind enemy lines to try to take it back!

13 posted on 10/13/2007 6:30:35 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: jrp
In 1982 California tried to ban handguns by a vote. It was a guaranteed win! HCI and Sarah Brady said so! Two to one for the ban was the polls showed!

After the vote, the gun ban was defeated two to one!

Since that time the legislators in Cali have been working overtime trying to subvert the will of the people by any means possible. This is just another one of those attempts.

14 posted on 10/13/2007 6:31:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (("democrat" 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.'))
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To: jrp

This RINO asshole should make it honest and change his name to Kennedy.


15 posted on 10/13/2007 6:32:54 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: navyguy

confiscation through regulation.

abolishing the second amendment by burdens.


16 posted on 10/13/2007 6:33:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Arnold has been a busy bee the last few days.

He's stooped even lower than I thought possible... a truly amazing feat. LOL.

17 posted on 10/13/2007 6:33:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: jrp

Damn! This is nothing more than a semi-auto handgun ban in disguise.


18 posted on 10/13/2007 6:40:08 PM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
His wife is the daughter of Jack/Teddy/Bobby/Young Joe Kennedy's sister, iirc. The hand that holds the testicles steers the world.

Compromised form the git-go, but 'electable'.

Pay attention, Republicans, in 2008 and BEWARE! There is a lesson here.

Now, back to work on the death ray (no shell casings)...

19 posted on 10/13/2007 6:41:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Califreak
“I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.”

Those with respect don't.

20 posted on 10/13/2007 6:45:54 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: umgud
umgud said: "Damn! This is nothing more than a semi-auto handgun ban in disguise."

It's going to sell a lot of handguns in the next two years.

21 posted on 10/13/2007 6:53:53 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: EGPWS

Not so fast Minnesota boy. I think your state was left off the list because it’s a given LIBERAL state all the way.

There are plenty of good conservatives in NY, CA & NJ. Maybe we choose not to run away from the fight. Someone has to man the front lines.


22 posted on 10/13/2007 6:57:13 PM PDT by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: Brilliant
Brilliant said: "I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ."

Simple, really. Sixty-five years of connection to family and community.

23 posted on 10/13/2007 6:59:19 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: EGPWS
Those with respect don't.

Speak for yourself assh***. Most of the counties in CA are red, not blue. The difference is the liberals live in the population centers and out numbers us. Some of us were born here, some have lived here all our lives. When I was young, CA was amoung the most liberal of states and the gun laws were more lenient than most. Over a long period of time this changed. I have as much respect as any man and if you were ever to imply to my face that I don't you had better be ready to fight. What a putz and a total disgrace to conservatives you jackass.

24 posted on 10/13/2007 6:59:24 PM PDT by calex59
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To: William Tell
It's going to sell a lot of handguns in the next two years.

True, but I'll bet money that not long after this law goes into effect, pre-ban pistols will be outlawed too.

25 posted on 10/13/2007 6:59:48 PM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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To: Brilliant
Another month and I'm outa' here. Just picked up the keys to my Denton, Texas apartment earlier this week, and gave 30 day notice yesterday on my California apartment.
26 posted on 10/13/2007 7:02:25 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Myrddin

Better take a very close look at those primers, if they are the new ‘green’ ones, they don’t store as well as the old school ones.

Yes, I got a *lot* of primers when they mandated ‘green’.

Still work well all these years later.


27 posted on 10/13/2007 7:08:08 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: umgud
umgud said: "True, but I'll bet money that not long after this law goes into effect, pre-ban pistols will be outlawed too."

I played that game with the so-called "assault weapons" law. I won't play again.

28 posted on 10/13/2007 7:09:14 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: navyguy
Will they now ban files, since microstamping can be defeated with a 2 dollar metal file?

For the time being, they only want to ban the guns, but you can keep the files. They'll get back to you later if the files are also banned.

29 posted on 10/13/2007 7:10:16 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Brilliant

Add Illinois to your list.

Signed, Ashamed in Illinois


30 posted on 10/13/2007 7:12:10 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: Brilliant
I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.

OR D.C., Maryland & Illinois. D.C. is home to a lot of Conservatives so that's not really fair so I guess you could work in D.C. and still live in the land of the free: Virginia.

31 posted on 10/13/2007 7:13:57 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: jrp

The Terminator: Twelve-gauge autoloader. The .45 longslide with laser sighting.

Alamo Guns Clerk: Anything else?

The Terminator: Phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range.

Alamo Guns Clerk: Hey, just what you see, pal.

The Terminator: The Uzi 9 millimeter.

Alamo Guns Clerk: You know your weapons, buddy. Any one of these is ideal for home defense. So, uh... which’ll it be?

The Terminator: All.

Alamo Guns Clerk: I may close early today. There’s a 15-day wait on the handguns, but the rifles you can take right now... You can’t do that.

The Terminator: Wrong.

**Arnold was pretending to be the Terminator. Today he pretends to be someone who follows the US Constitution.


32 posted on 10/13/2007 7:19:32 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Squantos; Eaker; Jeff Head; wardaddy; goldstategop; Valin; ...

Read it & weep ping. Arnold is turning into another dumb schmuck.


33 posted on 10/13/2007 7:22:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Worse than that. Schwarzenegger, who has dual citizenship in Austria and the United States, endorsed Kurt Waldheim during his presidential campaign in Austria.

About Kurt Waldheim and his past:

Disgraced UN chief and Nazi war criminal Waldheim, dies aged 88

Proved by Office of Special Investigations (OSI), in the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice who had former United Nations Secretary General and later Austrian President Kurt Waldheim blocked from entering the United States.

34 posted on 10/13/2007 7:24:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ThePythonicCow
The writings been on the wall a long time...

This Gold Rush family spilt the sheets with that socialist hell twenty years ago... and have never looked back.

Unfortunately, we didn't go North far enough, should have pushed on until we hit the Alaska border. Guess we'll have to make our stand here in the lower 48 for now...

35 posted on 10/13/2007 7:34:01 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: jrp
Three questions:

One, will guns sold before the law goes into effect be "grandfathered" in, and

Two, will police officers' guns be covered under this law, and

Three, will gun manufacturers be held liable for damages if this technology fails in any way, including failures that cause injuries or death to the user?

36 posted on 10/13/2007 7:34:10 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: calex59
Speak for yourself assh***.

Thanks. I didn't want to get banned for flaming that @#$%ing #$%hole. My county(Sussex) in NJ is so red, D's often aren't even on the ballot. As to why I live here, I lived in Ohio for 28 years. My Maximum collegiate degreed salary was 28k. I kid you not, I moved to NJ, got the first job I applied for at twice that. 12 years later, I make 4x that. Friends I grew up with in Ohio still earn 50k or so. Plus my wife's family is here and she wouldn't leave.

After various trips to the beach, a few jobs, my FILs ocean going boat and a decade plus, I've decided NJ is better than Ohio, even with the confiscatory taxation. Do I wish the gov't wasn't such a corrupt D mess, sure...but I'm doing well, I can deal with it for now.

37 posted on 10/13/2007 7:37:05 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: neverdem

I wonder where Maria keeps his testicles jar?


38 posted on 10/13/2007 7:45:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Brilliant
> I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.

Some of us have elderly parents that we need to look after. And we also have the mentality of fighting the battle, rather than running away.

39 posted on 10/13/2007 7:50:43 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: jrp
Who woulda thunk it?

Personally, I just don't see how California can enforce this...

40 posted on 10/13/2007 7:55:22 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Brilliant; Jim Robinson
I’m trying to figure out why any self-respecting conservative would live in CA, NY or NJ.

Why don't you ask Jim Robinson?

For me it's the weather, opportunity, prosperity, the mountains, the deserts, the beaches, skiing, surfing off-roading, to fight for the causes we believe in. Politics in California changes faster than the housing market. Liberalism comes and goes in our state, but California is the the best place in the nation to live and raise my children -- hands down.

Liberalism is a national problem - except in your state, of course.

41 posted on 10/13/2007 8:05:10 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: neverdem
Arnold is turning into another dumb schmuck.

What do you mean turning? He's been doing crap like this since he was sworn in in 2003.

42 posted on 10/13/2007 8:06:21 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: EGPWS
Those with respect don't.

Someone from Minnesota said that? What a moron.

43 posted on 10/13/2007 8:08:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

we would have probably been better to have left “ gravey davis” alone! SAD SAD SAD!!!!


44 posted on 10/13/2007 8:14:22 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: ElkGroveDan

“Liberalism is a national problem - except in your state, of course.”

While I would love to leave California, I have wondered if this is really the case. We could leave California and be vilified for being from California in the new place.

I have wondered if leaving might just be an exercise in futility for it does seem that liberalism is indeed a national problem now.
Liberalism is a disease that is spreading like a pandemic flu.


45 posted on 10/13/2007 8:17:41 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Why don't you ask Jim Robinson?

Major spew, nail on the head! LOL. Duncan Hunter is from CA too, the BEST candidate we have. Oh, and the rest of us CA hippy slime like you and me who have no self-respect.

46 posted on 10/13/2007 8:18:32 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: ElkGroveDan

Did you happen to watch any of the debate as the microstamping bill went through the legislature? Big debate, small, what?

I watched the hearings when the same thing was tried two years ago, at that time there was pretty strong opposition.


47 posted on 10/13/2007 8:20:05 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: jrp
Re: Schwarzenliberal

We told ya so.

48 posted on 10/13/2007 8:21:19 PM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Did you happen to watch any of the debate as the microstamping bill went through the legislature?

Yeah, it's my job.

49 posted on 10/13/2007 8:24:48 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: KJC1

“Duncan Hunter is from CA too, the BEST candidate we have.”

I was born & raised in California. I agree Duncan Hunter is by far the best candidate. But I was shocked to realize he hails from my home state. The land of Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Sheehan and Newsome, just to name a few.

I’ve heard things aren’t so bad in outlying areas. We live quite close to San Francisco, and if people judge California as a whole on the basis of what San Franciscans hold dear, I can’t really blame them for despising us, though it does sting deeply to be lumped into the same bowl as the fruits, nuts and flakes who run the machine.


50 posted on 10/13/2007 8:26:34 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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