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City Hikes Boy Scouts' Rent by $199,999 over Gay Ban (Philadelphia)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 10/18/2007 | Joseph A. Slobodzian

Posted on 10/18/2007 9:41:25 AM PDT by Pyro7480

The Boy Scouts of America's refusal to bend its rules to permit gay scouts will cost the organization's local chapter $200,000 a year if it wishes to keep its headquarters in a city-owned building on Logan Square.

Representatives of the Boy Scouts of America's Cradle of Liberty Council were notified that to remain in their 79-year-old landmark headquarters, they needed to pay the city a "fair market" rent, Fairmount Park Commission president Robert N.C. Nix said yesterday. Currently, the rent is $1 a year....

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: ban; boyscouts; bsa; childmolesters; discrimination; gaystapotactics; homofascism; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; jerks; lawsuit; moralabsolutes; philadelphia; politicalcorrectness; scouting; scouts; stalinism
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To: trumandogz

Answer my questions first.


181 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:06 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Tenacious 1
I think he/she must be allergic to reading beyond headlines and message boards.

The poster made a classic FR mistake of spouting off before reading the article. Now, the poster is too full of him/her self to admit the mistake and back down. So they keep spouting more and more uninformed garbage as they spin themselves deeper and deeper into a hole of their own making.

I enjoy watching the show. It's entertaining.

182 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:12 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: trumandogz
"None should be getting free rent from the tax payer."

Well they do, and for a variety of reasons as others have pointed out to you.

They provide a benefit for the cities residents, whether it be recreation, or some other service the public enjoys for little or no cost.

what you propose is that the citizens "the city" build and maintain all these places and charge the appropriate fee for the publics use of them, which of course will negate the need for many of them completely.

Rather than try defend your hopeless position, you should admit that you never put much thought into it.

Imagen a city that ran according to your way of thinking. It would have NOTHING to offer it's citizens, no recreation, no community clubs, skating rinks, soccer fields, sports clubs, yacht clubs, womens centers, and charities run facilities of ANY sort.

Kids would have even LESS to do than they do now, they wouldn't even have scate board parks to contain their vandalizm, because they would have to pay to get into them.

Those kids, teens and young adults with nothing to do, and no money to pay for anything to do WILL find something to do, usually to YOUR property.

Plus it would be a real crappy city to live in.

183 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:13 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tired of Taxes

Tenant improvements to a piece of property become the property of the land owner.


184 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:13 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
"The rights of the property owner supersede those of the tenant."

Not if they have signed a legal agreement in which the tenant is granted certain rights, such as a specified rent amount, in perpetuity.
185 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:26 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Petronski

Read post 65 with the CAPS and get back to me.


186 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:45 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: SZonian
I would need more information to answer your questions. I don't know what the original understanding was between the city and the Boy Scouts in 1928. Does the city own the building as well as the land, and if so, how did that come to be? Was there any transfer of funds along the way other than the $1 rent?

I wouldn't put it beyond a city like Philadelphia to try to use eminent domain to just kick the scouts out regardless of who owns the building. Both sides may have to go to court to try to figure out all of the ownership and financial issues...which would be unfortunate.

Keep in mind I'm on the scouts' side here. Ideally, they should just be able to purchase the land and remain there as long as they want without ever paying a cent of property taxes. That should be true, BTW, for all homeowners and private organizations as well. I only wish I could be more politically active.

187 posted on 10/18/2007 10:48:52 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: trumandogz

See the 2nd paragraph of post 172.

SZ


188 posted on 10/18/2007 10:49:17 AM PDT by SZonian (Tagline under repair until further notice)
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To: CharacterCounts

My apologies. That one is a bigot too.


189 posted on 10/18/2007 10:50:19 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Imagen a city that ran according to your way of thinking. It would have NOTHING to offer it's citizens, no recreation, no community clubs, skating rinks, soccer fields, sports clubs, yacht clubs, womens centers, and charities run facilities of ANY sort.

Are you saying that your city offers private organizations rent of $1.00 per year to yacht clubs, soccer fields and skating rings?

190 posted on 10/18/2007 10:51:03 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Petronski

Have a merry day contrarian...


191 posted on 10/18/2007 10:51:37 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! PRESS FOWARD MITT!)
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To: Tenacious 1
I think he/she must be allergic to reading beyond headlines and message boards.

LOL

Paragraphs give me hives!

192 posted on 10/18/2007 10:51:52 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: trumandogz

Is this a ground lease? If not, then it is not comparable. The Boy Scouts would be within their rights to demolish the building when they left; your tenants are not.

And commercial vs public-non-profit is apples v oranges.
The City is getting a great deal with the $1 ground lease of the building, benefits to the community way beyond the minor subsidy on this ground lease.


193 posted on 10/18/2007 10:52:26 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: restornu

Farewell, liar.


194 posted on 10/18/2007 10:52:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Petronski; CharacterCounts

Of course! Everyone’s a bigot except for you and “Character Counts”.

Love the ad hominems. Seems like you love them too, based upon reading your past posts.


195 posted on 10/18/2007 10:52:48 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

You raise the point I’ve been trying to make - without knowing the details of the original agreement between the scouts and the city, we can’t know whether the city’s action is justified.


196 posted on 10/18/2007 10:53:01 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: trumandogz

“So therefore, every non-profit organization in Philadelphia should get free land from the city.”

Did or did not the city of Philidelphia, in 1928, sign a written contract agreeing to the arrangement?

It matters not a wit how ill-advised the “bargain” may have been, or with some now appears to be. Contract law is binding on all parties — even the PC variety.

For 79 years the arrangement worked well for the city’s image, and thus to its advantage — including that of attracting morally-upright families, thus increasing the cities tax base. Otherwise, the contract would not have been agreed upon in the first instance.

The arrangement was never questioned until the sodomites took control of Philidelphia, in similar fashion where they have acquired control of every other city and organization — through the silence and inaction of “good” men.

Ironically, the purpose of the Boy Scouts is the formation of character, so to bring about a citizenry of good men, whom may rise in their adulthood to sound leadership — precisely the reason why sodomites desire the destructioon of the BSA. Good leaders must needs be moral men, not weak, easily manipulated, gutter trolls.

Liberals have no use for men of reason and moral character. Let’s not help their cause by advocating tax envy. The contract ought stand a court challenge.

RTO


197 posted on 10/18/2007 10:53:14 AM PDT by RTO (What will you do without freedom?)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Not if they have signed a legal agreement in which the tenant is granted certain rights, such as a specified rent amount, in perpetuity.

Did the article state that the $1.00 a year rent was in perpetuity?

198 posted on 10/18/2007 10:53:17 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

That seems to be the one major point that ALL of us seem to be missing. We aren’t privy to the original agreement, yet we’re tossing all kinds of arguments around. Thanks for the stabilizing post.

Cheers,
SZ


199 posted on 10/18/2007 10:53:31 AM PDT by SZonian (Tagline under repair until further notice)
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To: been_lurking
I enjoy watching the show. It's entertaining.

Yes, but should any organization only have to pay $1/year for rent? (Sarcasm on) I agree with your sentiments. Let's see how long this goes. I give up.

200 posted on 10/18/2007 10:53:42 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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