Posted on 10/18/2007 2:08:41 PM PDT by Signalman
Mr. Romney's Mormonism is a valid point of discussion because in order to obtain the high position Mr. Romney currently holds within the cult he has had to take an oath to the “church”; swearing his allegiance to Mormonism and it’s leadership and to doing everything within his power to establish the Mormon “kingdom of god” upon the earth. Mr. Romney also believes he is going to become the god of his own world! The above facts alone disqualify him from holding the office of President of the United States because his allegiance AND motives lies elsewhere.
Stating what Mormonism teaches, believes and practices is not “Mormon bashing", it is presenting reality. The facts stated above about the cult which Mr. Romney is so actively involved in are readily available and easily verified by anyone and everyone who is willing to take the time to do some simple apologetics research with an open mind, taking Mormonism at face value, examining it's founders, leaders, doctrines, beliefs and practices in light of history, the Word of God and the founder (The Lord Jesus Christ), leaders, doctrine and beliefs of biblical Christianity and "the faith once and for all delivered to the saints."
The current president of the Mormon Church, Gordon B. Hinckley, made a very telling comment about Jesus Christ in a talk in Geneva, Switzerland, June 6, 1998. The Deseret News reported:
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.
He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Deseret News, Church News section, Salt Lake City, Utah, week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)
President. Hinckley, the leader of Mormonism, was being totally honest and told the truth; Mormons do not worship the traditional Jesus Christ who is described in the Bible, the Holy Word of God. They worship a false christ as proclaimed and taught by Joseph Smith, who, according to Hinckley “knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages"... if you believe that, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
It should be noted that, from its inception Mormonism has been deemed a cult and NEVER been recognized as being a part of “Christianity or Christendom because it’s core doctrines are in total opposition to the Word of God, the doctrine of salvation, the Christ of the Bible, and the Christ of Christianity.
Bobkk4 — there is no convincing those afflicted with RDS - Romney Derangement Syndrome. Their hate cannot be squelched, just as those afflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome cannot see reason.
They are so filled with hate and derision, they are blind.
As a rock-ribbed conservative, I haven’t come to a definite conclusion for the ‘08 GOP nominee. But I certainly think Romney is a top choice and as conservative as he could be in a state such as Mass.
If Hunter or Thompson were to win, I would be happy also. But I am certainly willing to give Romney a chance.
The great Ronald Reagan signed into law the most liberal pro-ABORTION law ever in California in 1967.
Reagan also signed the AMNESTY bill in 1986, legalizing millions of border jumpbers.
Reagan signed a huge tax hike in 1986, which tanked the real estate market and nearly send the US spiriling into recession.
So I guess that makes Reagan a flaming liberal stooge in your eyes, right?
GHWBush was pro-abortion prior to 1980.
Reagan was once a Democrat.
Rick Santorum endorsed, campaigned for, and donated to the repulsive ARLEN SPECTOR, the pro-abortion, high tax, liberal stooge. In both the PRIMARIES and GENERAL election, no less.
EVERYONE has done or said things they would like to change.
THE good thing about Romney, is that he has become more conservative the older he gets ... just as I HAVE become more conservative the older I get.
I am still ashamed at the liberal tendancies I had as a teen and in my early 20s.
WAKE UP. GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE!
Wrong!!
Hunter is actually the most conservative, by almost any measure.
But most people recognize that Hunter, and I love him dearly, doesn't have that essential 'charm' thing (for lack of a better word) which is necessary to attract voters from the mushy middle.
And I think a good number of people likewise are seeing that Fred Thompson is .... not only too old, but that he lacks the drive and stamina that is essential in defeating the Democrats and running this nation.
McCain has a loose screw occasionally, and Guliani is a flaming liberal.
Brownback dropped out yesterday.
Huckabee is kinda cool, but I don't think the nation is ready for another Arkansas nominee.
That leaves Romney, a man whom I find very appealing as a candidate.
Smart, quick witted, dont take much gruff, great family values man, business experience and political saavy.
Aside from a small percentage of Mormon haters, I think he would do excellent in the general election, ESPECIALLY when comared to the Hildabeast.
Here comes Romney Cottontail
Flipping down the campaign trail
Flippity Floppity Election Day is on its way
ohhh....
Romney may not live up to the ideals of Mormonism. And you can oppose him on that basis. However, I don’t see how you can oppose him on the basis of his belonging to the Mormon Church.
There was an interesting study many years ago by a Harvard psychologist. I believe his name was Gordon Alport. He wanted to know if deep religious commitment led one to be more tolerant or less tolerant, that is more or less bigoted. His finding was very interesting. He found that it had a lot to do with one’s basic personality. When some receive what they believe is truth from God, it makes them humble and makes them feel the responsibility to live lives of love and service. To other more narrow personalities, it makes them prideful that they have the truth and others don’t. It reinforces them in their narrow disposition. They become even more bigoted than they began.
I am sorry to say that I see Romney’s commitment to Mormonism as having inspired the former response and your commitment to whatever church you belong to as having inspired the latter respnse.
But most people recognize that Hunter, and I love him dearly, doesn’t have that essential ‘charm’ thing (for lack of a better word) which is necessary to attract voters from the mushy middle.
***Is that what’s happening? That’s the first I’ve heard this. Has America become so Hollywood focused that they can’t recognize the real deal? They can vote in a classic used-car-salesman personality in Bill Clinton, so there might be something here. But Hildebeast has a complete lack of charm and likeability as well. That would make an interesting presidential race: The battle of the uncharmed.
Not exactly evangelical credentials...
B.A., Harvard University
M.Div., Westminster Theological Seminary
Ph.D., University of Cambridge
Dr. Wayne Grudem became Research Professor of Bible and Theology in 2001 after teaching at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School for 20 years. He has served as the president of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, as President of the Evangelical Theological Society (1999), and as a member of the Translation Oversight Committee for the English Standard Version of the Bible.
He has written more than 100 articles for both popular and academic journals, and his books include: Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today, The First Epistle of Peter (TNTC), Evangelical Feminism and Biblical Truth, and Business for the Glory of God. He has also co-edited Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: A Response to Evangelical Feminism and edited Are Miraculous Gifts for Today? Four Views.
There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits."
-Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, pages 66-67
Sounds like someone stuck in the Dark Ages.
Having a faith that was built on the Book of Mormon found as gold plates in the woods by a man in NY state that used a seer stones (Urim and Thummim) in a hat to translate a language called "Reformed Egyptian" is all you need to know.
Hats Magic Rocks, Gold Plates, Reformed Egyptian...
Kevmo, I posted in response to your assertion that Mitt Romney has trouble with the Deity of Christ. As my posts demonstrate, it is basic Mormon doctrine that Jesus is God, and in fact, is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. Mitt Romney, and other Latter-day Saints, myself included, have no trouble with the Deity of Christ. For us, Jesus is God. To assert otherwise is false and defamatory. There are a number of theological differences between creedal Christianity and Latter-day Saint Christianity. Unfortunately I do not have the time or energy to debate all of those differences. However, an accusation that I do not believe in the Deity of Christ strikes at the heart of who I am as a Christian. I know in whom I have trusted. At judgment day, I will fall to my knees before Jesus Christ—my Redeemer, my Lord, and my God—relying wholly upon his merits and mercy for my salvation.
I will pray for wisdom from God for you and for me, and that He would show us how important the truth is.
Author, Walter Martin lied about being a doctor with a degree and lied about being a descendant of Brigham Young. Suffice it to say that his work (which he also got quite rich promoting) does not deal honestly with my faith.
From wiki
Robert and Rosemary Brown, who noted that his "doctorate" was granted by a California diploma mill. They compiled a multi-volume work "They Lie In Wait To Deceive", of which the third volume involved a critical attack on Martin's credentials and his claims about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Since his death Martin's daughter, Jill Martin Rische, has sought to answer some of these allegations via the website she co-administers, Walter Martin's Religious Information Network, but Martin himself was reluctant to address the issues himself. She has documented her father's ministerial status as a recognized pastor within the Directory of the Californian Southern Baptist Convention, but the academic validity of his doctorate remains a point of debate between his supporters and detractors.
A large part of this controversy stems from his use of the title "Doctor" at least as far back as his mother's death in 1966, which was long before the founding of the correspondence school which he claimed had awarded the doctorate. California Coast University was founded in 1973 under the name "California Western University", but lost a name-infringement suit in 1981. The school was identified as a diploma mill in official GAO Special Investigations Report (# GAO-04-1096T) which stated that the school provided degrees upon payment of a flat fee. It has since become accredited to award undergraduate degrees, and offers no theological degrees whatsoever. At the time Martin claims to have been enrolled, institutional officials admit that "[it] is entirely possible that this school offered a degree in Comparative Religion in '76; however, we have no record of this" (Welty 1981, in Brown and Brown 1986:52). The school now doesn't answer questions about Martin and will not provide access to any existing records of his enrollment, theses or dissertation.
Other refuted claims included his supposedly having been a descendant of Brigham Young, and having inherited Young's "secret library," from which Martin supposedly gleaned the "truth about Mormonism." Martin claimed on the fly-leaf of The Maze of Mormonism that he was a descendant of Brigham Young on his mother's side ([1962] 1978:3), and that this fact had been confirmed for him by a Mormon genealogist. Robert Brown confronted Martin on radio talk show with evidence that indicated "it's an impossibility for him to be a descendant of Brigham Young" (Brown and Brown 1984:82). Challenged by Martin to make a statement to that effect which might be tested legally, Brown declined to do so on the air.
Dr. Walter Martin’s “doctorate” was granted by a California diploma mill.
***That’s the first I’ve heard of it, thanks. Every bit of real information helps.
I suppose I’m glad that I didn’t find my copy of his book after all.
Interestingly, lost in this discussion of theology is the fact that Fred Thompson belongs to a restorationist church that rejects the post-Apostolic Creeds of Christendom.
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